Is lying ever the right thing to do?

[Vickilynn]

Shalom Tah,

To lie is to tell an untruth. A falsehood. To DECEIVE.

lie1 /laɪ/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[lahy] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation noun, verb, lied, ly

[Guest LadyC]

vickilynn, i'm making it personal to provide examples. it's not because i'm making it "about me", it is because there are some circumstances in which i do not believe it is a sin to lie.

nobody seemed to think the story of rahab was good enough.

rahab did not lie. she acted on faith.

we can agree to disagree, but i do not feel like rahab sinned.

why am i pushing so hard? because some people in this thread are so busy trying to be righteous that they overlook God's greatest command... which is to LOVE one another.

i'm not the least bit convicted over the lies i told in those circumstances. not by God, anyway. so again, i bring up what you chastised me for earlier in this thread... these kinds of threads ALWAYS become about self-righteousness. they ALWAYS become about "oh, you're a sinner because you told a lie, but me, i'd NEVER lie".... which of course is a lie in itself, because not one person here is able to say they've never told a lie since accepting Christ, and yet that is how it comes across to others.

i notice nobody has answered the questions i put forth... would anyone here lie to protect their child from being physically beaten? would anyone here lie to prevent themselves from being physically beaten?

that's ok, i don't need an answer. i probably wouldn't believe it anyway. so stone me.

[Guest LadyC]

i'd like to see the hands of how many moms on this board would not lie in similar circumstances.

Shalom LadyC,

<raising hand> I would not willfully sin by lying. Period.

<raising hand> Neither would I, especially to my husband.

at what point would you willfully lie to your husband?

let's say instead of your child getting grounded for a month for being a minute late, that one minute would get your child physically abused by your husband.

would you lie to him then to protect your child?

Shalom LadyC,

I would NOT willfully lie to my husband.

If my child was being physically abused I would protect my child by removing them from the harmful situation.

that was posted while i was posting my last one.

and if there was no immediate way of removing your child? you'd lie. i HOPE you'd lie, because i feel it would be a sin NOT to under those circumstances.

[Vickilynn]

that was posted while i was posting my last one.

and if there was no immediate way of removing your child? you'd lie. i HOPE you'd lie, because i feel it would be a sin NOT to under those circumstances.

Shalom LadyC,

No ma'am. I would trust G-d, pray for protection and remove my child as soon as possible. I believe that G-d wants us to follow His Word, not our own devices.

It would never be a sin to obey G-d.

[Guest LadyC]

i correct myself... rahab DID lie. and her lie was an act of faith. it's right there in the Bible. she did not sin in doing so.

i still haven't eaten. i've gone from being silly/goofy to having completely lost my sense of humour. and for that reason, i'm going to step out of this little discussion and let you have the last word, because it's really senseless to be arguing the point anyway. we'll be side by side before God on judgement day, and we'll both have things to account for.

[Vickilynn]

Shalom LadyC,

Chill please. No one chastised you for anything. You're getting all worked up about this and reading things into the posts that just aren't there.

[Guest shiloh357]

i notice nobody has answered the questions i put forth... would anyone here lie to protect their child from being physically beaten? would anyone here lie to prevent themselves from being physically beaten?

You probably won't get an answer because there is no parent in their right mind that would not go to the ends of the earth to protect their children. There is no parent that would suffer harm to their children and would do anything including lie, to protect their children from harm and even death. Any parent that says otherwise, is worthy to be a parent.

[Rick-Parker]

A sin is a sin, is a sin, is a sin. We all do it. The abused woman example is not a very good one, and actually is unfair. The issue there is a person living with abuse, not telling of a lie to protect herself. There is no reason, acceptable to God, for sinning. But that is why he sent Himself, as Christ, to make us acceptable.

it IS a good one, and it WAS fair. especially if, as you state, sin is sin is sin and there is no reason why a sin would be acceptable to God.

the OP's question is, is lying ever the right thing to do... in other words, is lying ever NOT a sin.

and for the record, not all abuse is physical. my children and i were living in an abusive situation, which is exactly why i chose to lie, and which i do not believe was a sin.

So you're telling me that lying is not a sin in certain situations? If you are, show me in the Bible where it says that. I can show you where it says that it is a sin.

I grew up in an abusive situation. And I lied my butt off to try and not get beat. Nonetheless, It was still a sin and would send me to hell without Christ's sacrifice. God never condones or accepts sin.

[Vickilynn]

i notice nobody has answered the questions i put forth

Shalom LadyC,

Really? Both Bib and myself answered you. I answered you twice. So, you've gotten 3 answers.

... would anyone here lie to protect their child from being physically beaten?

No. I do not believe I would willfully lie as that is sin. I would pray, and ask G-d to provide another way to protect my child, even removing them.

would anyone here lie to prevent themselves from being physically beaten?

Again, no. I do not believe I would choose to willfully sin by lying. I would hope that I would trust G-d and He would provide another way.

[Vickilynn]

So you're telling me that lying is not a sin in certain situations? If you are, show me in the Bible where it says that. I can show you where it says that it is a sin.

I grew up in an abusive situation. And I lied my butt off to try and not get beat. Nonetheless, It was still a sin and would send me to hell without Christ's sacrifice. God never condones or accepts sin.

Shalom,

AMEN amen and amen!!!!! You are correct.