The "Good Friday" Hoax

[nebula]

and now I'll further complicate things by mentioning that the Essene's were considered legitimate holy men by Israelis and the legitimate High Priest was among them while the High Priest in Jerusalem was a political office sold to the highest bidder since the days of the Maccabean Revolt

Oh - that's a cool factoid to know! I've known about political corruption of the high priesthood of in Jerusalem, but not that the true High Priest lived with the Essenes.

That would make for an interesting research - how the people dealt with such things as the Day of Atonement.

But I know this is off-topic from this thread.

They both had different calendars so one group may have Passover on a different day than the other also. My guess is that Yeshua would have observed the biblical Pesach (as the Essenes did)

Hmm . . . interesting.

[Revel]

Again, excellent dialogue... I'm enjoying this...

The third holy day contained within the Crucifixion and Resurrection time frame is Firstfruits... It speaks of the miracle that took place at the Red Sea... the miracle of the Resurrection... and it speaks of the miracle of our future salvation... and the newness of life that follows.

THE FEAST OF FIRSTFRUITS

After the Israelites reached the shore of the Red Sea, they could see Pharaoh with his chariots pressing toward them. Yet Moses said,

[Revel]

THE FEASTS

To conclude this section on the Crucifixion, burial, and Resurrection:

If Paul referred to our Lord as

[nebula]

Whether we believe the Crucifixion took place Wednesday, Thursday, or Friday, shouldn

[Revel]

Well stated, nebula...

The holy days do in fact line up perfectly with the events of the New Testament. This is central to the post I plan to add in the near future.

God bless.

revel

[Richard_yaash]

PS: I would respectfully ask that we each present our own work in this. If you have a website that you prefer, I do not mind you using it as a means of personal reference. But I do respectfully ask that we do not quote websites to one another. It is also unfair to the author of the webpage IMO.

I don't really have my "own work" on this.

Not a problem. We both have the Scriptures, so let's simply lay this out from the Scriptures to the best of our knowledge and understanding. I will be more than happy to carry the brunt of this discussion and even do the bulk of the work, thus why I began by compiling a list, so that all you need to do is edit it according to your own understanding. However, I do need for you to supply certain things according to your understanding so that we can carry this forward being able to speak on an "apples for apples: oranges for oranges" basis and help prevent the misunderstandings which so commonly occur in regard to this topic.

With that being said, would you be so kind as to comment or edit the below so that we may establish a basis upon which to build:

Weekly shabat: That is a given

Last Supper: 14th Aviv [evening prior to the daylight hours]

Crucifixion day and time of death: 14th Aviv; 3pm

Passover sacrifice: 14th Aviv; 3pm

Unleavened: 15th Aviv [beginning sunset]

Wave sheaf of Shavuot/Feast of Weeks: The day after the *weekly* shabat.

Pentecost: Day after the *weekly* shabat [first day of the week] 7 weeks or the 50th day from the wave-sheaf.

With regard to the wave-sheaf and Pentecost: Please specify as to which 'shabat' you base it upon [ie weekly; high shabat; 15th of Aviv; etc.]

Now, if you or anyone else would like, I will more than happily provide reference(s) [ie Lev 23:11] for each of the above if it would be helpful. What I would like here, is rather than the usual at this time of year in which 4 different people throw out 6 different offerings of explanation which are all different from one another and leave many confused upon it:

I would like if we possibly can to *firmly* establish the matter. In this way, perhaps we may all learn and walk away from this in unity of belief. OTOH: Perhaps I am merely a dreamer. But it IS worthy of a try and while we may not come to agreement, we will have of at least looked at this *together* and hopefully be able to walk away from it with respect of each others beliefs and in full understanding of each others beliefs.

BTW: Was that a "groan" I heard? <hearty chuckle> Yes, I am rather lighthearted and no offense is intended whatsoever. For I have been there. There was a time many years ago, I used to write my "theories" out and place them before a group of my peers. One gentleman in particular I loved, for he would never present his side of the case, he would simply punch holes in my theory. This however was good, for it forced me to reevaluate my beliefs accordingly. I am not here to punch holes in your beliefs. I simply would like to try and *firmly* establish the matter.

This is what an orthodox jew told me on my last tour to Israel. He was not a believer but rather the tour guide. He knew the New Testament better than anyone in the church I had gone with and had given this much thought. His explanation makes more sense than any other theory I've heard.

I completely understand, for I am perhaps familiar with this particular theory.

Frankly, it's not a big deal to me. There was a crucifixtion and resurrection. The details are secondary to that and I'll find out for sure when I ask Him personally in the Kingdom.

Completely understood. What if I was to suggest to you that we can, from the Scriptures, establish the details? Would you be interested and be so kind as to join me in this endeavor?

In His love,

Richard

[Richard_yaash]

However, to truly connect with the genius of God to use the Feasts, which He prescribed, to perfectly match the redemption which He had been planning all along - then it does become important to discern how perfectly the events line up with each other.

The symbols become more significant knowing they occurred simultaneously with the actual events.

I agree Nebula. Perhaps as we go through this, we may indeed establish these things together.

[Richard_yaash]

But I know this is off-topic from this thread.

Don't worry about it I think we should allow a little room for some threads to 'breathe' a little, to develop and take on a life of their own to some degree. Afterall, we are all living breathing beings and not just words upon some board

I do respect your comment above though, for this thread has the potential to develop and be deep and broad enough without getting into the events of the 7th month.

You're comments/observations are always welcome Nebula.

[Richard_yaash]

Again, excellent dialogue... I'm enjoying this...

As am I. I am glad you are here today Revel, your timing is most apropos. Based upon that you share, you represent yet another divergent POV which IMO will contribute greatly to us being able to fully develop this together. You also, shall be the one who will force me to the most homework IMO Thus perhaps it is my turn to "groan" <chuckle>. For I have not looked into this aspect in many years now and am indeed rusty. Thank you, for I am sure it will be an enjoyable experience.

The third holy day contained within the Crucifixion and Resurrection time frame is Firstfruits... It speaks of the miracle that took place at the Red Sea... the miracle of the Resurrection... and it speaks of the miracle of our future salvation... and the newness of life that follows.

I do see your POV, however I also have some questions regarding it which I will get to within this reply. For in order to more firmly establish this matter, we must also establish the endpoint of the Feast of Weeks, namely, the day of Pentecost.

THE FEAST OF FIRSTFRUITS

After the Israelites reached the shore of the Red Sea, they could see Pharaoh with his chariots pressing toward them. Yet Moses said,

[Richard_yaash]

THE FEASTS

To conclude this section on the Crucifixion, burial, and Resurrection:

Whew, I am glad this one is a much simpler reply

If Paul referred to our Lord as