Do you have to be baptized to go to Heaven?

bison.78 · March 1, 2008

Can one enter into heaven with sin?? So if you are saying that one does not have to be baptized in order to go to heaven, then how is their sin remitted. Sins are remitted when one is baptized, fully emersed in water with the name of Jesus applied. We are buried in baptism and our sins are washed away. The Devil believes and trembles...is he saved....no.
No, it is the blood of Jesus alone and His finished work on the cross alone that brings remission of sins. Our faith should be in Christ, not in baptism.

Shiloh, what is needed on our part for salvation to be imparted unto us? Is it, as you say, just faith alone?

March 1, 2008

.... what is needed on our part for salvation to be imparted unto us? Is it, as you say, just faith alone?

"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." Ephesians 2:8-9

March 1, 2008

Can one enter into heaven with sin?? So if you are saying that one does not have to be baptized in order to go to heaven, then how is their sin remitted. Sins are remitted when one is baptized, fully emersed in water with the name of Jesus applied. We are buried in baptism and our sins are washed away. The Devil believes and trembles...is he saved....no.
No, it is the blood of Jesus alone and His finished work on the cross alone that brings remission of sins. Our faith should be in Christ, not in baptism.

But isn't our faith in Christ also doing what he told us

bison.78 · March 1, 2008

Your arguments are persuasive, but please fortify your rebuttal with scripture.
I use the same Scriptures that are being presented to prove that baptism is necessary for salvation. I simply apply proper hermeneutics to them.

Our LORD Jesus Christ (God) Baptizes In The Holy Ghost (God) And He Always Does The Will Of His Farther (God)

"John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:" Luke 3:16

The Gift Of God's Grace

"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." Ephesians 2:8-9

Even Saving Belief In The LORD Jesus Christ

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." John 3:16

Who Draws Us With His Love

"The LORD hath appeared of old unto me, saying, Yea, I have loved thee with an everlasting love: therefore with lovingkindness have I drawn thee." Jeremiah 31:3

Because We Are His Joy

"Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God." Hebrews 12:2

Saves Us

Why Would Any Believer Want To Splash Cold Water On The Blood That Redeems....

"And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled

In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;" Colossians 1:20-23

FresnoJoe: All of these scriptures are great, but when put in their proper perspective with other scripture, giving a complete picture of the plan of salvation. As was stated in an earlier post, we cannot just go to Ephesians or Romans and pull out a scripture and say " this is what salvation entails". These epistles were written to the Church, people who were already baptized and had the gifts of the Spirit in operation. They were not written to the secular world and therefore cannot be looked upon as the sole authoritative writing; the historical background of the early church must be used along with these for full understanding.

Praise Him

March 1, 2008

Being that all men we're created equal, we also know all men we're born into this life as sinners, and we know that sinner shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

So that means we have to get these sins off some way some how, for at this present moment if we have not had or sins removed we cant make it in just by default. Well Christ died on the cross right, so we should be all set, because we are saved by grace right? The answer to that question is no, because grace is only the vehical by which salvation has come, and yes Jesus Christ has provide the saving agent which is his blood, but only way we can access it is through baptisim in his name for there is no remission of sin without the shedding of blood and didn't Peter say for us to be baptized in the name of Jesus ( for what?)

the remission of sins he goes on to say(Acts2:38)

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Baptisim to be emerged in water

Edited March 1, 2008 by guitarman1601

bison.78 · March 1, 2008

"He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."

Notice that this scripture does not say he the believeth and is baptized not shall be damned. How can one explain that? Doesn't it make sense that Christ would be very specific if both were required for salvation?

No disrespect, but this to me seems to be common sense....if you don't believe, you won't be baptized.
None taken. We are talking about baptism. One can believe and not be baptised and still go to heaven. Baptism without faith is a work and can not save. Faith without baptism does save.

Is faith without Baptism Faith or lip service?

James 2:17 "Even so faith, if it has no works, is dead in itself." (WEB)

To Rick: Are you admitting that your argument is flawed? a dead faith is not a faith at all; and without faith it is impossible to please God, much less make it into the Kingdom of God. Baptism, as opposed to the unbiblical "sinner's prayer", is a scriptual proffesion of that faith. It is not a work in the sense that we are trying to earn our way into the Kingdom. It is a work in the context of James 2:17 in that it is an outward profession of our faith.

If I am incorrect in my assumption of your citation, please clarify.

Jesus is Lord. Praise Him.

and thanks, Kansas Dad, for your comment.
That's not what I am saying. It takes only faith to be saved. The works that comes after faith are done because of the desire to please God. If one accepts salvation with their mouth only, without also believing in their heart and soul, then they will not read the Bible, will not witness, will not change their life in any way (works). If they don't do these works, then in reality they most likely are not saved. That, to me, is what James 2:17 means.

baptism alone does not save. faith alone does not save. The two are inseperable:

1pe 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

Mr 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

In this passage of scripture, there is a very strong implication that the preaching of Christ inevitably leads to the intertwining of baptism and belief:Ac 8:36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?

Ac 8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

Ac 8:38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.

These scriptures clearly show that both believe in Jesus Christ and baptism are necessary for salvation.

bison.78 · March 1, 2008

Can one enter into heaven with sin?? So if you are saying that one does not have to be baptized in order to go to heaven, then how is their sin remitted. Sins are remitted when one is baptized, fully emersed in water with the name of Jesus applied. We are buried in baptism and our sins are washed away. The Devil believes and trembles...is he saved....no.
If you actually believe what you seem to be saying, that sin is remitted only after baptism, then Christ's sacrifice is not sufficient enough to save us. Is that what you are saying? You can't have it both ways. Either Christ's blood is enough and you don't need baptism to be saved, or Christ's blood plus something else brings salvation.

Rick, Baptism is the means by which Christ's Blood is applied to our lives....here's scripture to prove it:

In the OT, the sins of the people could not be cancelled out, or remitted, without a sacrifice/ offering...

Heb 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

Which, as we know, typifies Christ offering Himself for our sins. What is the purpose of Christ's Blood?

Mt 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

That being said, how can we apply this Blood that remits sin to our lives on a pragmatic level?

Ac 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ( for what purpose?) for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Baptism and Belief in Christ go hand in hand.....you can't have one without the other.

I believe the same point was made by guitarman, if I am reitterating, I apologize.

Praise Him

bison.78 · March 1, 2008