30 kassam rockets fired on Israel

[Guest shiloh357]

We should be praying for the Palestinians rather than accuse them

Well said. We should pray for them and let God judge them when their time comes and hopefully, they will be judged with mercy. It is God's will that every person on earth goes to heaven, lets give Him some help with that!

Funny, how this courtesy is not extended to the Jews. Everybody is ready to talk about how it is all their fault, and they are problem and the Palestinians are "God's tool" as if the Jews deserve what they get.Let's just stick it to those dirty Jews.

The Palestinians can maim, murder, bomb, destroy and you will "pray" for them. The Jews who are the objects of this irrational hatred which spawns these attacks are regurlarly demonized as objects of God's wrath and any attempt to defend themselves is condemned.

There is a word for that... Anti-Semitism.

[Ingelosi]

shiloh,

You take our call for prayer for the Palestinians and turn it into a call for antisemitism. Thats not what I, nor any other person should want. I have never said anything to condemn, judge or spread hatred for Jews and yet you insist I am an anti-semitist.

[hupo]

We should be praying for the Palestinians rather than accuse them

Well said. We should pray for them and let God judge them when their time comes and hopefully, they will be judged with mercy. It is God's will that every person on earth goes to heaven, lets give Him some help with that!

Funny, how this courtesy is not extended to the Jews. Everybody is ready to talk about how it is all their fault, and they are problem and the Palestinians are "God's tool" as if the Jews deserve what they get.Let's just stick it to those dirty Jews.

The Palestinians can maim, murder, bomb, destroy and you will "pray" for them. The Jews who are the objects of this irrational hatred which spawns these attacks are regurlarly demonized as objects of God's wrath and any attempt to defend themselves is condemned.

There is a word for that... Anti-Semitism.

Shilo

Please concidere before getting all worked up about this.....

I'm an Israeli. A Jew. Been living in Israel since 1949. Served in the IDF. Have actively participated in most of the wars we've been through.

My 6 children and 11 grand children are all Israeli Jews living in this country, surrounded by hatred.

I have been personally attacked when a Syrian 120 mm mortar shell exploded in my face, right here in my home village!

Do you really believe I'm an anti-semite ??!!

Believe me, I have all the reasons in the world to hate Palestinians.

I can also understand your anguish at what seems so unfair in your eyes (and mine too, by the way)

If I pray for them, there are two reasons for it.

the first is, God wants us to do that

The second is, I do not want hatred to fill my heart. that place should be reserved for Yeshua

So when I pray for the enemy it is directed at keeping my heart out of the hatred zone.

Does this make any sense?

[Guest shiloh357]

shiloh,

You take our call for prayer for the Palestinians and turn it into a call for antisemitism. Thats not what I, nor any other person should want. I have never said anything to condemn, judge or spread hatred for Jews and yet you insist I am an anti-semitist.

The fact is that no one cares about the Palestinians beyond using them as a club to beat on Israel. I am not against praying for the Palestinians, I get sick of the one-sided calls for "prayer" when the Palestinians suffer the Israeli response for the terrorism the Palestinians perpretrated.

No such calls are ever issued when Jews are shredded by pipe bombs or blown up in supermarkets, or gunned down on side roads. And you may not like it, but it is anti-Semitic.

[Guest shiloh357]

Shilo

Please concidere before getting all worked up about this.....

I'm an Israeli. A Jew. Been living in Israel since 1949. Served in the IDF. Have actively participated in most of the wars we've been through.

My 6 children and 11 grand children are all Israeli Jews living in this country, surrounded by hatred.

I have been personally attacked when a Syrian 120 mm mortar shell exploded in my face, right here in my home village!

Do you really believe I'm an anti-semite ??!!

Believe me, I have all the reasons in the world to hate Palestinians.

I can also understand your anguish at what seems so unfair in your eyes (and mine too, by the way)

If I pray for them, there are two reasons for it.

the first is, God wants us to do that

The second is, I do not want hatred to fill my heart. that place should be reserved for Yeshua

So when I pray for the enemy it is directed at keeping my heart out of the hatred zone.

Does this make any sense?

I have no problem with any of that. However, I will not sit back and let YOU or anyone else act as if the Jews are getting what they deserve. The Palestinians are not "God's tool" and Israeli or not, you are not infallible, and frankly, my position is not one of hatred but based on justice.

And yes, you need to rexamine your position particularly in your implication that the Palestinians are God's "tool." Christians said the same thing about Hitler, and such statements are grossly anti-Semitic. You may not mean them to be, but they are and I am a Jewish person as well. I know a thing or two about being Jewish, and I know anti-Semitic comments when they appear. I don't care if they come from Jews or nonJews...

[Ingelosi]

Shilo

Please concidere before getting all worked up about this.....

I'm an Israeli. A Jew. Been living in Israel since 1949. Served in the IDF. Have actively participated in most of the wars we've been through.

My 6 children and 11 grand children are all Israeli Jews living in this country, surrounded by hatred.

I have been personally attacked when a Syrian 120 mm mortar shell exploded in my face, right here in my home village!

Do you really believe I'm an anti-semite ??!!

Believe me, I have all the reasons in the world to hate Palestinians.

I can also understand your anguish at what seems so unfair in your eyes (and mine too, by the way)

If I pray for them, there are two reasons for it.

the first is, God wants us to do that

The second is, I do not want hatred to fill my heart. that place should be reserved for Yeshua

So when I pray for the enemy it is directed at keeping my heart out of the hatred zone.

Does this make any sense?

Wow Hupo! Thank-you for sharing this, you've just made my day.

No such calls are ever issued when Jews are shredded by pipe bombs or blown up in supermarkets, or gunned down on side roads. And you may not like it, but it is anti-Semitic.

Shiloh, have a look around the forum. There are many many prayers for the victims of Palestinian aggression. I find that I don't see as many calls or prayer for Palestinians (but then again, how do we know who's praying for what?). So its almost like we are opposite except I don't believe that praying for one group makes you the enemy of another. So if I say a prayer for Jewish people than I am not anti-semetic in your opinion??

Edited March 1, 2008 by Ingelosi

[Guest shiloh357]

Shiloh, have a look around the forum. There are many many prayers for the victims of Palestinian aggression. I find that I don't see as many calls or prayer for Palestinians (but then again, how do we know who's praying for what?). So its almost like we are opposite except I don't believe that praying for one group makes you the enemy of another. So if I say a prayer for Jewish people than I am not anti-semetic in your opinion??

I have already seen your position from back in January. You didn't condemn Palestinian terrorism only the Israeli response to terrorism. I have seen the way you pacifists work. Palestinian terrorism is almost completely ignorned while any attempt by Israel to defend itself is met with chiding calls to "love your enemies." No one calls on the Palestinians to cease terrorism and love their enemies.

Frankly, I don't trust you, so praying for the Jews would not really change my opinion of you. I have no interest in some left-handed, insincere prayer. You can do what you want, but it is too little, too late.

[Guest shiloh357]

Shiloh, have a look around the forum. There are many many prayers for the victims of Palestinian aggression. I find that I don't see as many calls or prayer for Palestinians (but then again, how do we know who's praying for what?). So its almost like we are opposite except I don't believe that praying for one group makes you the enemy of another. So if I say a prayer for Jewish people than I am not anti-semetic in your opinion??

I have already seen your position from back in January. You didn't condemn Palestinian terrorism only the Israeli response to terrorism. I have seen the way you pacifists work. Palestinian terrorism is almost completely ignorned while any attempt by Israel to defend itself is met with chiding calls to "love your enemies." No one calls on the Palestinians to cease terrorism and love their enemies.

Frankly, I don't trust you, so praying for the Jews would not really change my opinion of you. I have no interest in some left-handed, insincere prayer. You can do what you want, but it is too little, too late.

[Ingelosi]

Your only argument seems to be that you think Israel is being blamed more than Palestine in this war, which in itself is a mostly nonreligious debate and I have come to realize that the Kingdom is farther away than I thought.

[hupo]

I have no problem with any of that. However, I will not sit back and let YOU or anyone else act as if the Jews are getting what they deserve. The Palestinians are not "God's tool" and Israeli or not, you are not infallible, and frankly, my position is not one of hatred but based on justice.

And yes, you need to rexamine your position particularly in your implication that the Palestinians are God's "tool." Christians said the same thing about Hitler, and such statements are grossly anti-Semitic. You may not mean them to be, but they are and I am a Jewish person as well. I know a thing or two about being Jewish, and I know anti-Semitic comments when they appear. I don't care if they come from Jews or nonJews...

Shilo,

All through scripture, God's wrath was poured on His people

What I am saying here is this is still going on. Most Jews in Israel don't believe in the true Messaiah

This has always been something the Jewish nation has been paying for.

It is in this sense, that we are being punished by God, in this case, using the Palestinians as His whip, as He did with many nations in the past.

If you believe this is not the case, ok, so we disagree, is all. That's ok with me.

As for the Palestinians getting prayed for. I am not saying this should be instead of prayers for my own people.

It is natural and easy for me to pray for my own people.

Praying for the Palestinians is impossible for me without God's help. That is why I emphasized that part of it.

Praying for the Palestinians is something I am doing for my own salvation. It is God's command.

What our enemies are doing is every bit the way you described it. I agree with you on that.

God will be their judge

and as I said elsewhere, I am no vegitarian. If someone shoots at me, I will shoot him first, if I can, but I will do it not out of hatred for him but rather from love of my children.

God never told us to commit suicide and so I believe in defending myself, yes.

But in doing that, there is a big spiritual difference in "where I am coming from"