who would do that??

[jackie d]

I was going through a thread that was recently closed and came across what has been quoted below:

Source Anonymous:

I had a dream that there was a demon who was tormenting me and there was a group of people who were running up the hills behind me. All of a sudden the demon stopped and layed down on the trail and I stopped and looked at him. But the others coming up from behind me kept going and when the first person in line came up to the demon laying on the ground with his foot in the air the first person said are you trying to trip me? And then proceeded to run forward and tripped over the demons leg and the others behind him toppled over his leg also and they all fell down a cliff to the rocks below I just stood and watched the whole thing. I cried out: Jesus be with me and felt the entrance of Him from my feet to the top of my head and growing taller than the pines and grabbing that demon by the neck and the Lord speaking through me. He threw the demon into the abyss...

a person responded to these words "I just stood and watched the whole thing" by asking quite shocked, "who would do that?"

"But the others coming up from behind me kept going and when the first person in line came up to the demon laying on the ground with his foot in the air the first person said are you trying to trip me? And then proceeded to run forward and tripped over the demons leg and the others behind him toppled over his leg also and they all fell down a cliff to the rocks below

my question after reading this dream is who would willingly and knowingly fall over the trippings of the enemy and who would gladly follow behind the leader to be crushed on the rocks below?

I totally get why the person who had the dream stopped and watched those who allowed the enemy to kill them...the leader of the flock who fell asked the enemy if he was trying to trip him, so in asking this he was fully aware of the blunder he was willing to take by letting the enemy trip him. So if they were aware why would the one who also knew but refused to follow the sheep be the one people are shocked by? Why was there not shock at those who were willing to let the enemy harm them instead?

[Guest LadyC]

i don't know why... after all, we all do it every day. we watch people around us who knowingly trip over the enemy and head to a spiritual death. all we CAN do is pray... for them, yes, but for ourselves to always be wary of the enemy and for the courage to stand for Jesus. but we can't stop those who are hell-bent on going off the edge (no pun intended.)

[Guest man]

my question after reading this dream is who would willingly and knowingly fall over the trippings of the enemy and who would gladly follow behind the leader to be crushed on the rocks below?

Matthew 15

14 Let them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch.

[Guest Biblicist]

I think the dream is a good indicator that we are all caught up too much in our own lives and we forget that there are other's around us that need rescuing as well.

I cried out: Jesus be with me

This has become a very ME society. Even as Christ hung on the cross he asked the LORD for forgiveness of those who were on the ground, not for salvation for himself.

1 John 2

9 He who says he is in the light, and hates his brother, is in darkness until now.

10 He who loves his brother abides in the light, and there is no cause for stumbling in him.

11 But he who hates his brother is in darkness and walks in darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes.

[Hunterpoet]

Lemmings?????

[Searching soul23]

Sounds like a friend of mine who left a good church because he was obsessed with a girl there to the point where he couldn't focus on God. I find myself in a similar situation. I've found a good church, but the enemy is trying to distort my mind and get me to leave just because there exists the potential for temptations there to pull me away from God. But thanks to your dream, I can see the stupidity of leaving. God obviously wants me there, and the devil obviously doesn't. That means that it's probably a decent church, right?

[redwing]

imho, this sounds like the new breed of followers obama has.

[nebula]

a person responded to these words "I just stood and watched the whole thing" by asking quite shocked, "who would do that?"

Dreams are funny that way. . . the weirdest things happen. And we do the weirdest things.

But if you mean what the dream represented - in real life we don't often see the demons and demonic activity as demons and demonic activity. Thus we allow ourselves to get tripped up.

[jackie d]

I think the dream is a good indicator that we are all caught up too much in our own lives and we forget that there are other's around us that need rescuing as well.

I cried out: Jesus be with me

This has become a very ME society. Even as Christ hung on the cross he asked the LORD for forgiveness of those who were on the ground, not for salvation for himself.

1 John 2

9 He who says he is in the light, and hates his brother, is in darkness until now.

10 He who loves his brother abides in the light, and there is no cause for stumbling in him.

11 But he who hates his brother is in darkness and walks in darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes.

this dream is like a parable to me...

the person in the lead (the one who had the dream) was leading those who were running behind. The demon in the path represented traps of sin that people each and every day follow each other into.

(1st warning) Now the lead runner, stopped dead in their tracks. Should the leader have stopped wouldn't you think that the others would have at the very least slowed down to see what was causing their leader to come to a halt on that particular path they were running.

(2nd warning) there was a trap laying in the path that was an obvious trap that was noticed by the other runners.

these people behind the lead person made the choice to ignore the 2 warning signs of sin and death of their own free will....why should the person in the lead be held accountable for those people choosing to sin, when God doesn't even take our free will to choose from us?

You are assuming that the leader was the one who was in the wrong. But the leader's actions and the demon were both warnings to those sheep.

Jesus, doesn't put a stop to us making stupid mistakes and sins, He lets us walk head on into whatever snare we are willing to ignore the clear and present dangers of. The leader, clearly not the Lord had no more ability to remove their choice to exercise free-will than you or I....

Now your statement that after all had happened the person who stopped and refused to be taken to death was in the wrong and it was an all about me thing, thus implying that person was selfish....but he wasn't selfish, he was wise. But again, I look at this as a parable of sorts...kind of like the good servant verses the bad or lazy servant. The one who's senses have been exercised enough to discern good and evil (Heb 5:13) was a servant with a lamp full of oil and that servant refused to compromise his journey with the Lord by not allowing sin to trip him up or by following the rest of the flock down a path to destruction. Had that leader been wrong, why when he called on Jesus did Jesus immediately come to His aid and destroy the enemy that was in his path? Thus showing that the Lord was well pleased with the obedient servant...anyone of those other people who followed over the cliff could have stopped and asked the Lord to rescue them but they did not. And that was clearly a choice made by each one of those who went over the cliff...

Oh yes and let's not forget that the next person in line after the leader, spoke to the demon and asked it if it was trying to trip them? why would that one choose to let the demon trip him and why would those who were behind him willingly follow him from the first to the last yet ignore completely that people were falling to their deaths and that the real leader of the group had not proceeded forward? Clearly their eyes were open to what they were doing as the demon was acknowledged by them.

So again, why the shock at the leader and not those who follow each other into death and destruction?

[jackie d]

Lemmings?????

who?