OK Rep states homosexual agenda destroying nation

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I believe that the OP is such an outlandish claim, and whatever my feelings about homosexuality, I cannot let such claims stand unchallenged.

Please listen to the broadcast in the link I posted.

Can you do this?

[Guest LadyC]

WTD, your name states you are willing to die for Jesus. why are you not willing to STAND for Him?

Who says I'm not?

your own words say you're not. your whole position on this issue is against Him.

[WillingToDie]

WTD, your name states you are willing to die for Jesus. why are you not willing to STAND for Him?

Who says I'm not?

your own words say you're not. your whole position on this issue is against Him.

Have I even made my position on homosexuality clear, or do you just infer what it must be because I oppose silly statements like in the OP?

[Oh Hamburgers!]

I will have to take a look at those audio files sometime today or tomorrow, but I won't comment on it for now.

I think one of the points I was trying to make was the issue of "destroying America'. If we know that sin will make our country fall, how can we explain the fact that many sins of our country actually helped us flourish into what we are today?

[Guest LadyC]

WTD, your name states you are willing to die for Jesus. why are you not willing to STAND for Him?

Who says I'm not?

your own words say you're not. your whole position on this issue is against Him.

Have I even made my position on homosexuality clear, or do you just infer what it must be because I oppose silly statements like in the OP?

WTD, the fact that you think the OP's statement is "silly" IS your position. and it is very much a "world view" rather than a "God-view". so really, what you personally think of homosexuality is irrelevant. you have made your position on the concept that the homosexual agenda is destroying a nation abundantly clear, and just did so again! you think it is SILLY.

that tells me without a doubt that while you are "willing to die" for Him, you aren't willing to STAND for Him... or you wouldn't be playing the devil's advocate.

i mentioned this earlier... you do realize that the word advocate means to defend, correct? by playing the devil's advocate, you are DEFENDING the devil's works instead of the Lord's.

[WillingToDie]

WTD, your name states you are willing to die for Jesus. why are you not willing to STAND for Him?

Who says I'm not?

your own words say you're not. your whole position on this issue is against Him.

Have I even made my position on homosexuality clear, or do you just infer what it must be because I oppose silly statements like in the OP?

WTD, the fact that you think the OP's statement is "silly" IS your position. and it is very much a "world view" rather than a "God-view". so really, what you personally think of homosexuality is irrelevant. you have made your position on the concept that the homosexual agenda is destroying a nation abundantly clear, and just did so again! you think it is SILLY.

that tells me without a doubt that while you are "willing to die" for Him, you aren't willing to STAND for Him... or you wouldn't be playing the devil's advocate.

i mentioned this earlier... you do realize that the word advocate means to defend, correct? by playing the devil's advocate, you are DEFENDING the devil's works instead of the Lord's.

Just so you know, "Devil's Advocate" is more or less an idiomatic expression:

Main Entry:

devil's advocate

Function:

noun

Etymology:

translation of New Latin advocatus diaboli

Date:

1760

1 : a Roman Catholic official whose duty is to examine critically the evidence on which a demand for beatification or canonization rests 2 : a person who champions the less accepted cause for the sake of argument

Anyway, it is silly: there is no evidence aside from homophobic paranoia of homosexuality destroying our nation, or any nation, for that matter.

[Guest LadyC]

oh i see, we're paranoid homophobes? far from it. i don't fear them at all. i stand on God's word. big difference.

i know "devil's advocate" is an idiom. but in THIS case, you are literally being the devil's advocate, since it is HIS cause you are championing.

if you really think it is "silly" i would encourage you, also, to study the scriptures more closely on the matter.

see ya later, i have an appointment to leave for.

[WillingToDie]

oh i see, we're paranoid homophobes? far from it. i don't fear them at all. i stand on God's word. big difference.

i know "devil's advocate" is an idiom. but in THIS case, you are literally being the devil's advocate, since it is HIS cause you are championing.

if you really think it is "silly" i would encourage you, also, to study the scriptures more closely on the matter.

see ya later, i have an appointment to leave for.

Homophobia moves beyond fear of homosexuals and extends into general aversion and discrimination.

And I have studied the Scriptures on this subject, quite extensively, and debated it for years. I've reserved judgment until I have a better grasp of the original languages (well, better grasp of Greek, and actually learn Hebrew) and a better understanding of the cultural context in which the text was written.

Again, you assume that because I disagree with you that I must be ignorant. Way to make a false assumption.

I hope your appointment goes well.

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"Homophobia" is a made-up term designed to intimidate those of us who believe homosexuality, Scripturally, is an abomination in the sight of God.

We're not going to be bullied by that term.

If you want to change our opinion and convictions, you are going to have to explain how the phrases used in the Bible to express the actions what we now call homosexuals engage in is not what the Bible means by those expressions.

[WillingToDie]

"Homophobia" is a made-up term designed to intimidate those of us who believe homosexuality, Scripturally, is an abomination in the sight of God.

We're not going to be bullied by that term.

If you want to change our opinion and convictions, you are going to have to explain how the phrases used in the Bible to express the actions what we now call homosexuals engage in is not what the Bible means by those expressions.

I do not intend to change your minds, as I have not myself made up my mind. As I stated in my previous post, I'm waiting to make a decision until I have an increased knowledge in the original languages and an increased understanding of the cultural context.

And there is a difference between being homophobic and stating that homosexuality is sin. The man from your link displays this difference very effectively, although I take issue with his assertion that acceptance of homosexuality in an area is correlated with decrease in religious freedom and free speech.