HEAVEN IS ALL AROUND US

[John3;16]

Jesus is the kingdom of God, and of heaven!

Matthew|12:16 And charged them that they should not make

him known:

Matthew|12:17 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken

by Esaias the prophet, saying,

Matthew|12:18 Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my

beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit

upon him, and he shall show judgment to the Gentiles.

Matthew|12:19 He shall not strive, nor cry; neither shall

any man hear his voice in the streets.

Matthew|12:20 A bruised reed shall he not break, and

smoking flax shall he not quench, till he send forth judgment

unto victory.

Matthew|12:21 And in his name shall the Gentiles trust.

Matthew|12:22 Then was brought unto him one possessed with

a devil, blind, and dumb: and he healed him, insomuch that the

blind and dumb both spake and saw.

Matthew|12:23 And all the people were amazed, and said, Is

not this the son of David?

Matthew|12:28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of

God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.

Matthew|12:29 Or else how can one enter into a strong man's

house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong

man? and then he will spoil his house.

Matthew|12:38 Then certain of the scribes and of the

Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from

thee.

Matthew|12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil

and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall

no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:

Matthew|12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights

in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and

three nights in the heart of the earth.

Matthew|13:18 Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower.

Matthew|13:19 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom,

and understandeth

[Guest phelanfine]

YES JOHN3:16

Everything you said is absolutely positively 100% correct. The LORD has blessed you with understanding and knowledge.

Now lets go real deep.

How many have you seen or do you know that have actually accepted and came into that kingdom that are exibiting the power of the spirit of the LORD? Or has it been regular worldly people discussing and talking about it. Because .

Lu 24:49

Behold, I send the Promise of My Father upon you; but tarry in the city of Jerusalem until you are endued with power from on high."

Ro 15:19

in mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God, so that from Jerusalem and round about to Illyricum I have fully preached the gospel of Christ.

1Co 2:4

And my speech and my preaching were not with persuasive words of human wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power,

1Co 2:5

that your faith should not be in the wisdom of men but in the power of God.

1Co 4:20

For the kingdom of God is not in word but in power.

COULD THIS BE THE REASON WHY?

Lu 14:26 "If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple.

Lu 14:27 And whoever does not bear his cross and come after Me cannot be My disciple.

Lu 14:33 So likewise, whoever of you does not forsake all that he has cannot be My disciple

Mt 10:37 He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me.

Mt 16:24 Then Jesus said to His disciples, "If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me.

Mr 8:34 When He had called the people to Himself, with His disciples also, He said to them, "Whoever desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me.

Lu 9:23 Then He said to them all, "If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow Me.

A false version of christ was allready being prepared by the devil back in the time of the first church. If a person was called into it by a false christ. IT IS NOT THE LORDS FAULT.

2Pe 2:19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are slaves of corruption; for by whom a person is overcome, by him also he is brought into bondage.

THE DAY IS APROACHING VERY RAPIDLY. :sleep: IT'S TIME TO WAKE UP. :oww:

JESUS CHRIST IS LORD

Edited May 15, 2004 by phelanfine

[Guest yod]

Let me simplify this....

Heaven is an eternal place. Those who live there do not exist within time the same way we do. It was, it is, and is still yet to come.

If you are typing on this message board, then heaven (or hell) is still future for you because you are a finite being.

Yet heaven has existed since before Adam.

The moment we receive the HolySpirit we have the authority of heaven working in us and through us. As we surrender our flesh we grow in the power of the spirit of holiness.

When we have finally put off all corruption and are glorified as Yeshua was glorified after the Resurrection we will exist outside of time also.

Kapish?

[Guest phelanfine]

Heaven is an eternal place. Those who live there do not exist within time the same way we do. It was, it is, and is still yet to come.

Let me simplify this....

Heaven was created with the earth and is not eternal.

Genesis 1: 1. In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

HEAVEN was created and has a Beginning and an End.

Mt 24:35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away

The only one Living in heaven Is The LORD.

De 6:4

"Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one!

Zec 14:

And the Lord shall be King over all the earth. In that day it shall be-- "The Lord is one,"* And His name one.

Mr 12:29

Jesus answered him, "The first of all the commandments is: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one.

1Co 6:17

But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him.

Here is what happens to the greek myth believers heaven, when the LORDS two witnesses come to shake earth like the shaking of the fig tree and like the shaking of the olive tree and like the gleaning of grapes when the vintage is done.

. Isa 34:4 All the host of heaven shall be dissolved, And the heavens shall be rolled up like a scroll; All their host shall fall down As the leaf falls from the vine, And as fruit falling from a fig tree.

Mt 24:29

"Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.

Mr 13:25

the stars of heaven will fall, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken.

Lu 21:26

men's hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of heaven will be shaken

HERE IS THE FINALITY OF THE MATTER.

Re 21:1 Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea.

IT IS NOT GODS THRONE THAT OUR EYES AND HEARTS SHOULD BE ON. IT IS HE WHO SITS ON THE THRONE.

Ac 7:49

'Heaven is My throne, And earth is My footstool. What house will you build for Me? says the Lord, Or what is the place of My rest?

Mt 6:20

but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal.

YOU ARE OUR TREASURE "O" LORD. FOR YOU ARE WORTHY

JESUS CHRIST IS LORD

Edited May 16, 2004 by phelanfine

[Guest yod]

Heaven was created with the earth and is not eternal.

So how long will it last when we get there?

there are 7 hebrew words and 6 Greek words that have been translated as "heaven". It would take longer than I want to spend on it to go through the various ones you used in the previous post but suffice to say that the Heaven I"m referring to is a place where God lives eternally. I think it is a spiritual realm that is all around us yet we cannot see it...yet.

There will be a new heaven and a new earth but do you think we disintergrate and disappear while that is being done or are we in another "shamayim" while it happens?

I don't see the big deal anyway. What is your point?

[Dad Ernie]

Greetings Phelanfine,

Genesis 1: 1. In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

HEAVEN was created and has a Beginning and an End.

Here are the 3 heavens:

FIRST HEAVEN:

2 Samuel 21:10 And Rizpah the daughter of Aiah took sackcloth, and spread it for her upon the rock, from the beginning of harvest until water dropped upon them out of heaven, and suffered neither the birds of the air to rest on them by day, nor the beasts of the field by night.

SECOND HEAVEN:

Genesis 15:5 And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be.

Genesis 22:17 That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies;

THIRD HEAVEN

1 Kings 22:19 And he said, Hear thou therefore the word of the LORD: I saw the LORD sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing by him on his right hand and on his left.

Psalms 11:4 The LORD is in his holy temple, the LORD'S throne is in heaven: his eyes behold, his eyelids try, the children of men.

Psalms 45:6 Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre.

Psalms 93:2 Thy throne is established of old: thou art from everlasting.

As you can see the throneroom of God IS IN HEAVEN and it is eternal. God ONLY CREATED the FIRST TWO HEAVENS. Why are you kicking against the pricks? Like Yod said, "What's your point?"

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

[Guest phelanfine]

So how long will it last when we get there?

I don't see the big deal anyway. What is your point?

The third heaven will last 1000 years and you don't go there HE opens heaven here. Because GOD and CHRIST have been right here all the time. That's the point.

Revelation 11

15.Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, "The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!"

16. And the twenty-four elders who sat before God on their thrones fell on their faces and worshiped God,

17 saying: "We give You thanks, O Lord God Almighty, The One who is and who was and who is to come, Because You have taken Your great power and reigned.

18 The nations were angry, and Your wrath has come, And the time of the dead, that they should be judged, And that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints, And those who fear Your name, small and great, And should destroy those who destroy the earth."

19 Then the temple of God was opened in heaven, and the ark of His covenant was seen in His temple. And there were lightnings, noises, thunderings, an earthquake, and great hail.

JESUS CHRIST IS LORD

Edited May 16, 2004 by phelanfine

[Guest yod]

whatever....you're just being silly now.

it seems like strife for the sake of strife to argue this

Have fun, Dad Ernie

[Guest resurectionhope]

THOSE WHO ARE LIVING IN THE FLESH. HAVE THE NEED FOR GOD TO BE SOME WHERE ELSE.

SO THEY LOVE THE INTERPRETATION OF THE GOD ZEAUS WHERE HE TAKES ALL THE GOOD PEOPLE TO A WORLD OUT IN SPACE AND TREATS THEIR FLESH TO THE DESIRES OF THEIR HEART FOR ETERNITY.

THOSE WHO ARE LIVING BY FAITH IN THE LORD KNOW WHERE HE IS.

IF GOD OPENED YOUR EYES TO SEE HEAVEN HERE LIKE HE DID FOR THE YOUNG MAN IN THE ELISHA SCRIPTURE. YOU WOULD KNOW THAT HIS THRONE IS HERE.

BUT THEN YOU WOULD HAVE TO LIVE LIKE YOU ARE IN HIS PRESENCE ALL THE TIME. WHICH YOU SHOULD BE DOING ANYWAY IF YOU CLAIM TO BE HIS.

THIS IS NOT SILLY IT IS DEAD SERIOUS.

SEE IF THIS SOUNDS FAMILLIAR. THE GREEK GOD PLUTO BROTHER OF ZEAUS GOD OF THE UNDERWORLD. TAKES ALL THE BAD PEOPLE TO THE CENTER OF THE EARTH TO TORMENT THEM WITH FIRE FOR ETERNITY.

IT ALL CREPT IN THERE A LONG TIME AGO AND HAS INFLUENCED THE DOCTRINE EVER SINCE.

KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.

[Guest yod]

There is no contradiction between heaven being "out there" in the future and yet all around us "here" at the same time.

So I'm still not sure what you are raving about....?

Enlighten us, O super spiritual one