Prisoner abuse

[Guest LCPGUY]

Senerhu,

Thanx for your brilliant and informative posts

Bro John

[Guest charlie]

lcpguy, I'm not into political correctness. I'm more interested in right and wrong. This isn't a democrat vs republican thing as far as I'm concerned either.

Answer me this, Do you think Jesus approves of what happened here?

[senerhu]

Where have you been? Why do you people act like this is the first time there has been any outrage expressed over the killing, maiming and torturing of people. IT'S NOT! We've been hearing about it and seeing the outrage for years.

Are you even remotely suggesting that the liberal news coverage of the abuses in Iraq, by hussein, matched that what you are seeing today , over the humiliation of a terrorists?...lol

When the WMD scam, yes it was a scam,

do you need to be reminded of all the LIBERAL congressman who endorsed clintons passioned plea of WMD in Iraq or of the 17 'unaddressed' resolutions by the UN for those weapons.

Friend, those WMD went to Syria and were part of the recent plot to kill 20,000 Jordains, by al quada. Did you know that?

Some of you seem more outraged that American transgressions have come to light than you are at the atrocities themselves. Do you think the pictures taken during the civil rights movement should have been kept out of the public eye too? You guys are justifying this pure and simple.

the civil rights movement was totally justified, but this is WAR....remember the 3000? YOU could be next, why tie our intelligence personels hands in protection you...

[Guest LadyC]

give up... they conveniently forget that it was the liberals who were screaming about the WMD long before bush took office. they don't CARE about the truth. nor do they care that the entire intelligence officers inherited by the bush administration who provided him with the information were inherited from clinton.

they only care about painting our current white house as liars.

[Guest charlie]

But what does serving God have to do with war? Are you suggesting that God wants us to let pure evil take over? Does He not want us to do all that is necessary to stop it?

Are you sure you meant to make a statement like this?

I'm suggesting that God abhors evil, regardless of whose hand perpetrates that evil. Stopping evil and perpetrating evil are two separate things.

Question: Do you think we have lost our moral highground because of this?

Or .......should we take the attitude: "Do as we say, not as we do"?

Face it, we've been knocked off of our moral high-horse.

[Guest LadyC]

you ARE aware that the Bible (even the NT) gives the government discretion to go to war, aren't you?

[Guest charlie]

they only care about painting our current white house as liars.

They are liars. BUT let me make this very, very clear. I am not a democrat. I WAS a republican,.... now I'm neither.

The previous administration was also full of lies and liars. How any of you can have any faith left in either political party is beyond me. Just because the Clinton administration was bad does not make this administration good.

In the end, it doesn't matter whether you're liberal or conservative, two wrongs still do not make a right.

to gyou ARE aware that the Bible (even the NT) gives the government discretiono to war, aren't you?

If you were directing that at me LadyC, yes I do know that. Now what's your point?

Edited May 11, 2004 by charlie

[Guest yod]

Face it,  we've been knocked off of our moral high-horse.

Let's go back to square one

Yes, I think we all agree that a large measure of moral authority has been lost. The point I and others are making is that the inflammatory tone of the Bush haters is purposely intended to make this much worse than it already is.

And furthermore it is hypocritical when they only care about these things when it helps them politically.

[senerhu]

Are you sure you meant to make a statement like this?

I'm suggesting that God abhors evil, regardless of whose hand perpetrates that evil. Stopping evil and perpetrating evil are two separate things.

Question: Do you think we have lost our moral highground because of this?

Or .......should we take the attitude: "Do as we say, not as we do"?

Face it, we've been knocked off of our moral high-horse.

I guess my question to you charlie, when God returns, what will he do to those who commit evil?

Do you believe that He will offer them love, as Jesus taught?

There is a fine line what our soldiers did. If they humiliated and scared those prisoners to gain information that protects their lives, our lives and the lives of innocent people all over the world, then yes, I believe God will support that. God has said for us to obey our leaders, and I certainly honor President Bush.

If those soldiers were satanic and malicous with no intent at 'ultimate' good, then they should face our justice, and I agree, those trials should be seen in Iraq for the world to see American justice.

[senerhu]

you ARE aware that the Bible (even the NT) gives the government discretion to go to war, aren't you?

good point LadyC, you said it better than I