Science and the Bible

[JesusIsLord777]

Do you know what I think is kinda funny? So many scientists act like science and the Bible are bitter enemies, but in reality, they go hand in hand. Thermodynamics, geology, biology, astronomy, etc. They all support the Bible. Especially the last two. Biology show's how precise life is, and how complex it is. That's one source of varying viewpoint. When species are similar, evolutionists claim a common ancestor, while creationists claim a common designer. Astronomy shows just how precise our universe really is. It may seem like chaos, but it is acutally pretty systematic. This is where thermodynamics comes in. The second law of thermodynamics states that all things slowly move toward disorder. This can prove a younger universe, because if it is 6.5 billion years old, it would be a lot more chaotic.

I'd reccomend www.answersingenesis.com for further study of creation science if you're interested;)

But really, with all this science and ID verses evolution, we're losing sight of what really matters.....God! We focus so much on proving our point to the scientists who, most likely, will disregard everything we say. I'd say that it's time to focus on our faith and strengthening the faith of other Christians. We shouldn't focus on using science to convert atheists. We should focus on God's word. I've brought a few people over and I thank God for giving me the opportunity, but in those times, it wasn't science, but God and his word that convicted their hearts. So basically I'd like to get your opinions on this.

Walk with God

Jeff

[Gerioke]

Naturally. If the universe were disorderly, low entropy, ordered systems like humans wouldn't be alive to point out how chaotic it is. Funny how our universe is suited to our existence rolleyes.gif .

That's because God loves us and wants us to prosper.

[JesusIsLord777]

Naturally. If the universe were disorderly, low entropy, ordered systems like humans wouldn't be alive to point out how chaotic it is. Funny how our universe is suited to our existence rolleyes.gif .

That's because God loves us and wants us to prosper.

So what you're saying is that if God didn't want us to prosper (hypothetically speaking of course), that we would have come to live in a universe that wasn't suited to our existence? Do you see the giant hole in that kind of reasoning?

If God didn't want us to prosper, he wouldn't have created us at all. He didn't create us with suffering in mind Cache.

[Gerioke]

Naturally. If the universe were disorderly, low entropy, ordered systems like humans wouldn't be alive to point out how chaotic it is. Funny how our universe is suited to our existence rolleyes.gif .

That's because God loves us and wants us to prosper.

So what you're saying is that if God didn't want us to prosper (hypothetically speaking of course), that we would have come to live in a universe that wasn't suited to our existence? Do you see the giant hole in that kind of reasoning?

If God didn't want us to prosper, he wouldn't have created us at all. He didn't create us with suffering in mind Cache.

I said hypothetically didn't I? Still, do you see the hole in reasoning that the suitability of our universe necessitates a God? We would only ever have arisen in a suitable universe, so the fact that we did proves nothing. It doesn't advance the case of either side.

You're a real stick in the mud. If you don't want to believe in God, then why do you spend so much time here?

[Gerioke]

Naturally. If the universe were disorderly, low entropy, ordered systems like humans wouldn't be alive to point out how chaotic it is. Funny how our universe is suited to our existence rolleyes.gif .

That's because God loves us and wants us to prosper.

So what you're saying is that if God didn't want us to prosper (hypothetically speaking of course), that we would have come to live in a universe that wasn't suited to our existence? Do you see the giant hole in that kind of reasoning?

If God didn't want us to prosper, he wouldn't have created us at all. He didn't create us with suffering in mind Cache.

I said hypothetically didn't I? Still, do you see the hole in reasoning that the suitability of our universe necessitates a God? We would only ever have arisen in a suitable universe, so the fact that we did proves nothing. It doesn't advance the case of either side.

You're a real stick in the mud. If you don't want to believe in God, then why do you spend so much time here?

Because debate is fun. Now instead of questioning my motives, can you answer the question? Debate the point, not the person.

The answer is no.

[Gerioke]

Gerioke

The answer is no.

So you don't see the problem? Well the problem with your reasoning is that we would exist in a universe suited to our existence whether or not we'd been intentionally put there by God, otherwise we wouldn't exist. We can't exist in unsuitable universes, so we don't. Therefore the fact that we do isn't evidence of design.

Oddly enough, I don't see a problem with my reasoning either.

Apparently some people just like to dismiss evidence of the obvious.

Sorry dude, I guess I can't help you.

[MorningGlory]

Gerioke

The answer is no.

So you don't see the problem? Well the problem with your reasoning is that we would exist in a universe suited to our existence whether or not we'd been intentionally put there by God, otherwise we wouldn't exist. We can't exist in unsuitable universes, so we don't. Therefore the fact that we do isn't evidence of design.

YOU are evidence of design.

[Gerioke]

Gerioke

The answer is no.

So you don't see the problem? Well the problem with your reasoning is that we would exist in a universe suited to our existence whether or not we'd been intentionally put there by God, otherwise we wouldn't exist. We can't exist in unsuitable universes, so we don't. Therefore the fact that we do isn't evidence of design.

Oddly enough, I don't see a problem with my reasoning either.

Apparently some people just like to dismiss evidence of the obvious.

Sorry dude, I guess I can't help you.

What are you talking about? I've shown you a clear fallacy in your argument and all you've done is assure me that your reasoning is sound. This is no kind of debate, you must tell me why you're right and I'm wrong. We can't exist in unsuitable universes so we don't, it's as simple as that.

I'm telling you that God made it that way. I don't see you going around creating universes.

[Gerioke]

These Christian vs Atheist threads remind me of a dog chasing his tail

[Gerioke]

I'm telling you that God made it that way. I don't see you going around creating universes.

Do you accept that it is not possible for us to exist in an unsuitable universe?

Can you explain to me what an unsuitable universe is? Do you mean "us" in our current form, or a form that would be suitable for an unsuitable universe?

You're intent on arguing about things that are totally hypothetical. Makes it difficult to give you a straight answer.