LIBERAL CHRISTIANS?

[Paul]

I am a regestered republican, however, I will not vote for anyone who is pro-choice, Rep or Dem, I will not lend my support to anyone who thinks it's ok to kill babies. The Dems it seems are the ones now who vote (more often than not) anti-Christian and pro-everthing else (abortion, homosexuals). I vote with my heart, sadly the choices are becoming less and less........God Bless all

[WatchingForJesus]

I think you are mixing politics with Christianity, which really do not mix well at all....only God can judge someone's heart and being born again is a personal relationship with Jesus and frankly has nothing to do with whether you are liberal or conservative.

JMHO, of course........

In His service,

Bob

Bob,

That is the challenge we all face. It's not that politics and Christianity don't mix, it's that it is extremely difficult to "get" the votes, or to please the right people, by taking a "firm" stance for Christ while being a politician.

I believe that the problem is that too many Christian think that they don't mix and so they shy away from politics. Therefore, often times we are left with what Yod said... "The lesser of two evils".

I see so many forums that are full of liberals who fly under the banner of "christianity".

Do you think someone who embraces the liberal agenda AND A LIBERAL DOCTRINE is truly born again?

Personally I know how I feel about it but I wondered what other christian veiws might be.

jamie,

To answer your question, I don't believe that a "true" Christian would be able to take a liberal stance on "moral" issues (i.e. homosexual rights, abortion, etc.). However, we also have to be careful not to "assume" that someone is a Christian, just because they take the "conservative" stance on moral issues.

However, I think the biggest challenge lies in this dilema:

If someone has a "conservative" stance on the moral issues (that would be inline with our stance on those same issues), does that mean that they qualify to run our country, or our states or our cities?

I would hope that more Christians would get involved in politics so that we would have better choices when it comes to voting. As it is, sometimes I have to vote for someone that I don't want in office, just so that don't get the other canidate (who I REALLY don't want in office) by default.

It's quite the dilema, but I think that it can be fixed by getting more Christians into politics. Look at how the country was founded. Good strong Christians who were unafraid of voicing their stance on their faith.

YBIC,

Bradley

[WISDOM]

If we had to chose our President according to all moral issues we might never be able to vote.

We end up choosing the lesser of two evils by default

.....Truer words were never spoken!

[Guest LCPGUY]

My opinion is that since most liberals support abortion on demand, homosexuality and living together outside of marriage, they are not saved for they willfully go against God's will and condone sin. However, I suppose there are those liberals that are against the above and are liberal in other areas.

I am not, and cannot, judge anyone's salvation however, I just offer my opinion.

Bro John

[Catsmeow]

I sympathize with most of the responses here but I DO NOT believe any one of us mere mortals can assume a person is "saved" according to the fruit of the beliefs - necessarily.

I say that because we need to be mindful of the individual believer. Some are still on milk. Some are newbies in "diapers" (so to speak).

I have a spouse who's a newbie and a (gag) Democrat. If you knew the things he says and thinks, ...well, thank goodness you don't know but what little I share.

He has a long, long way to go on the journey. I have cried out before GOD to change his heart.

Well, God's grace and power is sufficient to move mountains and people can be believers and be remarkably immature and clumbsy in the faith.

Anyone who is new to the faith or a "slow learner" would be the sort that sings a few hymns, tithe ONLY 10 percent and not a dime more and squirms in church because they're ready to go and have a nice meal somewhere afterwards.

Look, I'm married to that....Sometimes I see growth and sometimes I see a whole lotta "backsliding" behavior.

Sometimes I see a glimmer of hope and maturity and other times I feel utterly dumbfounded that we've still not gotten beyond milk.

I still marvel that he feels he needs to say the "Sinner's Prayer" every time he hears it on the television.

What can I say? Some people are saved by the skin of their teeth and are infants in Christ.

They are "lukewarm" in the sense that they are newborns or infants. They are still learning how to spell, "Jesus"....they are still confusing Jesus with Moses and thinking Jesus parted the sea with a staff.....

When a person, especially one is is in their "senior" years of life, converts...it takes a lot to get them "churched" (LOL) and they forget stuff all the time.

Getting them to apply biblical principals is a real challenge. I feel thrilled that he's finally memorized the Lord's Prayer.

So, folks...please, please, please....keep in mind that while there are "lukewarm" folks out there....we also have wee infants in Christ, (spiritual babes of all ages) who are still learning.

My husband still can't understand how Jesus and God are the same. He's very confused with that one....and he constantly confuses the disciples with King David and other bible heroes. He is simply a babe in Christ learning the core principals, which have to be taught over and over, (cause he forgets).

So, we must not assume everyone who lacks maturity or good fruit is not a believer. Some folks just take more time than others to grow. Cats

[Guest kitkat]

I see so many forums that are full of liberals who fly under the banner of "christianity".

Do you think someone who embraces the liberal agenda AND A LIBERAL DOCTRINE is truly born again?

The Liberal agenda is composed of people who support abortion, homosexuality, equal rights for children, legalisation of drugs, they don't support prayer in school and want to take God out of the Constitution and out of the Pledge of Allegiance.

Almost everything listed here is a basic afront to God. For them to call themselves Christians and to believe, support or endorse these issues, makes them pagans or non-believers in my humble opinion.

Salvation is a personal issue and I'm sure many of these people believe in God and Jesus as their Savior, but by supporting these issues, I believe they continue to sin according to the scriptures. I believe it is up to the Lord to judge those Liberals for their viewpoints.

Kat

[Work in Progress]

I don't think it is an unfair question to wonder how someone can be for abortion and saved at the same time.

I don't think it is an unfair question to wonder how someone can be for the homosexual agenda and saved at the same time.

I don't think it is an unfair question to wonder how someone can be for the extinction of Israel and saved at the same time.

There are many political positions which are in direct opposition to the Bible.

I suppose it's possible to be saved and never read the Bible????

Yod, they don't have to be openly "for" it. Many of these "Christians" just say "I prefer not to judge others...." or "why do we focus on this ONE sin all the time".....or " take the plank out of your own eye before judging...." and all the other round about ways of saying "I approve of this". I don't know if they are just totally deceived, or they just want it both ways (they want the benefits of Christianity but want to be popular with the world), sometimes it's that they want to be a Christian, but don't want to give up their sin choices. Jesus said "you are either with Me, or against Me." Being "with" Him includes loving the Word He loved and not rationalizing it or apolgizing for it.

think what values you embace tell alot about a persons heart.

I totally agree Jamie.

[Work in Progress]

One cannot be theologically liberal and born again. You cannot deny the Deity of Christ and His resurrection and be saved.

One could be left or right winged politically (liberal/conservative) on social issues like helping the poor with a welfare state or not, but it would be contrary to the heart of a Christian to be morally liberal in the areas of abortion and homosexuality.

Amen, Godrulz.

[Catsmeow]

Still, don't forget...we have some people who are very new to the faith and aren't too bright.

I'm married to one. It takes enormous patience to guide and direct them. Whenever my husband says he's a Democrat, I just cringe inside.

It's not easy living with a new believer. He should have shown more fruit by now but it's a real slow going.

I hope we can remember that people make bad judgements and poor choices.

God didn't come to save the healthy but the sick. My hubby is definitely in need of a Savior...and he knows that.

We shouldn't just write everyone off as lost just because they're grossly immature as believers.

There's a lot of infants who haven't reached any real level of maturity and they haven't produced much fruit as of yet.

We have to be patient. I know...God is teaching me this daily. He was patient with our many immature decisions and choices. He's been patient with our years of growth and struggle.

I think the name says it all...we are all a "Work in Progress" and while my own husband isn't for abortion and doesn't drink, et al...he has a lot of emotional baggage and yes, he's a Democrat (gag, choke)...

But that's life...and he needs time to grow in Christ. We just have to remember that many people are still "growing"...

[Cerran]

I personally think too many people flag themselves as either Liberal or Conservative rather than concerning themselves what what is right and what is wrong. I personally have both Liberal views and Conservative views and I don't put myself in either a Democratic or Republican basket. Personally I think they're both a bunch of amoral hippocrites after lining their own wallets and looking to get elected or re-elected.