LIBERAL CHRISTIANS?

[Guest LadyC]

LadyC do you at least have a link for the cases? Just curious as I would like to do some research on it.

cerran, your local library probably has a copy of the book. the book has an extensive bibliography in it that lists all the information you need to do the research on them. the author is david limbaugh, the title is Persecution: how liberals are waging war against christianity.

[stevehut]

Treading dangerous ground here, because it calls for a lot of broad generalizations. IMHO

[Guest LCPGUY]

I would like very much to vote for a good solid Christian. One that I felt I could be assured of doing the Lord's will. But it ain't going to happen folks. The problem is the divisiveness that is in the block of voting Christians. IF we were able to come to agreement amongst ourselves as to abortion, et al, THEN perhaps we might have an effect.

I agree Dad, in fact I agree with your whole post

Bro John

[Guest kitkat]

Just to point out that the original pledge of allegance didn't have the phrase "Under God" in it. I don't disagree with it being there but too many people use this as pointing out we are moving away from god, I agree it's a symptom but it's not like it was there from the creation of the pledge. I have a really old boy scout manual from the 1920's and the pledge is in there and the phrase isn't there.

Our forefathers believed religion shouldn't play a role in making governmental decisions, but they didn't believe God should be 100% seperated from a public forum either. People have taken things to extremes.

Cerran, I'm well aware that the phrase "Under God" was not part of the original pledge of allegiance. But congress did install it in the 1950's. My point is, the liberals, that we're talking about here are wanting it removed. That should be enough in itself to scare you!! :oww:

You say that "Our forefathers believed religion shouldn't play a role in making governmental decisions". This is absolutely untrue. Our forefathers relied on prayer and divine guidance to make governmental decisions.

Even today with a large anti-GOD LIBERAL base in the U.S. Congress, sessions of Congress are still opened with prayer for wisdom and guidance and making decisions that affect everyone. I've said this before, but I'm saying it again.

Kitkat

[Cerran]

You say that "Our forefathers believed religion shouldn't play a role in making governmental decisions". This is absolutely untrue. Our forefathers relied on prayer and divine guidance to make governmental decisions.

Please show me an example. I won't deny that some of the founding fathers were christians but religion and the church did not have direct influence in the government.

Even today with a large anti-GOD LIBERAL base in the U.S. Congress

Please list who is anti-God. While I do not agree with the values of a lot of our government, all Liberals are not Anti God. Seperation of Church and state has been taken too far I agree, but rather than sit here and complain about it try and do something to change it. I'm trying to get a picture on what you think is anti-god and Liberal so give me an idea.

[Guest yod]

Please list who is anti-God. While I do not agree with the values of a lot of our government, all Liberals are not Anti God. Seperation of Church and state has been taken too far I agree, but rather than sit here and complain about it try and do something to change it. I'm trying to get a picture on what you think is anti-god and Liberal so give me an idea.

it would be too long a list to name all the liberals (Dems and Republicans) in Congress who are anti-god.

It would be much easier to name those who are not.

On the Democratic side there are a few men who seem to be righteous like Zell Miller, Evan Bayh, and Joe Liberman. Hmm...can't think of another more though I can name most of the Democrats you would recognize.

On the Republican side the liberals are all from the Northeast.

[Guest kitkat]

Please show me an example. I won't deny that some of the founding fathers were christians but religion and the church did not have direct influence in the government.

We have no government armed with the power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion ... Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.

[Guest LadyC]

river,

aug. 26, 1999, students on a school campus gathered around the flagpole, were confronted by the police threatening jail time if they handed out any Bibles.

seminole high school, in sanford florida, has several choirs, including a gospel choir (strictly voluntary). the choir was asked to perform at the first anniversary of the 9/11 tragedy. the school not only forbade the choir from performing, and even forbade any of the members from singing at the event individually, because it was being held at a church. the choir, by the way, was also prohibited from praying or even holding a moment of silence prior to any practice sessions.

motivational speaker jaroy carpenter was scheduled to give a talk to middle school students in montana to help students cope with a number of teen suicides and deaths that had recently occurred. the school board rescinded the invitation because someone complained that the man was a christian, even though carpenter's assembly was to be secular in nature.

in 2002, stanford university denied the head coaching job to ron brown because he was a christian. the asst. athletic director said that "it wasn't a determining factor, but had to be considered". however, he reportedly told the applicant that "he did not believe that my christian convictions would mesh well with that university".

1997, US district judge ira dement issued an injunction prohibiting the school from permitting any prayer or devotional speachthat was uttered aloud, by students or anyone else, voluntary or not, at any school event including graduation. the court appointed an attorney to serve as a "prayer monitor" to oversee events to make sure the order was carried out. as a result of 'civil disobedience', the school was fined over $62,000 for failing to prevent all students from praying or talking about Jesus.

this one hits close to home because i remember it. i used to live in arlington tx, and knew the son of police chief david kunkle. the wonderful chief of police there fired a sergeant on the police force for insubordination... because he wore a cross on his lapel, which kunkle had forbidden because it could be "offensive". yet this same police chief permitted and encouraged officers to wear mexican flag pins, union pins, and other expressions of culture, political affiliation, and religions.

people getting fired, high school kids being threatened with jail, schools being fined because students voluntarily pray or mention Jesus, how is this not persecution?

river, if you want more examples, please go pick up a copy of the book i suggested. don't go refuse to read it just because it is written by a conservative.... it wouldn't matter WHO wrote the book, the documentation and court cases cited would still be the same. ok?

[Guest LCPGUY]

Kitkat, LadyC, YOD -

Thank you all, you are such wonderful people of our Lord!!!

May the truth ring out...

Bro John

[Guest LadyC]

by the way... just a little personal trivia. i was once fired from a job for talking about God. another employee came into my work station, knowing that i was a christian, and asked me a question regarding the Bible. i was overheard by the owner of the company. they denied that it had anything to do with my discussing scripture, but i know this was a lie to prevent a lawsuit, because the day before i'd been offered a promotion for my outstanding work.