senerhu Posted May 12, 2004 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 120 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,661 Content Per Day: 0.23 Reputation: 10 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/23/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted May 12, 2004 It's engaged in a civil war - religious factions (Shiites vs Sunnis) are out assasinating each other's clerics. How free is that? Those murderers are being brought to justice....part of the process Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest yod Posted May 12, 2004 Share Posted May 12, 2004 I'm not so sure that letting them have satelite dishes is a good thing. They can watch Kerry and CNN now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
senerhu Posted May 12, 2004 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 120 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,661 Content Per Day: 0.23 Reputation: 10 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/23/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted May 12, 2004 I'm not so sure that letting them have satelite dishes is a good thing. They can watch Kerry and CNN now you can bet your last dollar they'll be watching the election returns... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LadyC Posted May 12, 2004 Share Posted May 12, 2004 Catsmeow i posted this for you a page back. rather than take offense over assuming you are totally ignoring my post, i'm choosing to assume it simply got overlooked. so i'm re-posting it, hoping this time maybe it will get noticed. ok, cats, i'm sorry, but i can't even continue reading the rest of the new posts until i point a few things out. 1. nobody here is justifying what those soldiers did to the POWs.. 2. if you think no american soldiers violated the geneva convention in WWII and every other war, you're sadly mistaken. it just wasn't publicized. 3. nobody here is justifying what those soldiers did to the POWs. 4. many of our own american soldiers have no moral compass either. sorry, but we live in a society that is trying to erase God from life. those without God have no moral compass. 5. nobody here is justifying what those soldiers did to the POWs. i've only brought this point up a hundred times, as others have, and yet you seek to keep going back to that same theme. putting something into perspective and being ticked off that the liberals and the media are politicizing this incident in order to push an agenda is NOT the same thing as justifying what those soldiers did. being outraged that the barbarians over there are slaughtering innocent people, american and iraqi, and are now using the degradation of those soldiers as their excuse is NOT the same thing as justifying what those soldiers did. oh, and have i mentioned? nobody here is justifying what those soldiers did to the POWs. nobody here supports what they did, (with the possible exception of yod!  ) so will you please keep that in mind next time you post? :hug: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Work in Progress Posted May 12, 2004 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 123 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 3,111 Content Per Day: 0.39 Reputation: 35 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/29/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted May 12, 2004 Cat - 1. You keep saying "we" when ranting about what was done and is done to the prisoners. You are forgetting that 7 U.S soldiers did that. America didn't do it. You and I didn't do it. The U.S military does not sanction it. 2. WIP, I'm telling you that they've interviewed several prisoners that were simply in the wrong place at the wrong time. Who interviewed them? Where did you hear that? 3. I see women over there crying and saying, "We thought you were here to set us free. Why are you doing this?" Where did you see that? Have you seen the MANY who are THRILLED that we are there? Don't lose sight of that. Don't let these bad soldiers and others make you question that. 4. People who use pornography as a means of "interrogation" ..I want nothing to do with. I cannot imagine anyone with the Holy Spirit of God in them thinking we can ever excuse pornography as a means of interrogation. Whoa......back up. I never said a word about any supposed pornography or it's use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
senerhu Posted May 12, 2004 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 120 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,661 Content Per Day: 0.23 Reputation: 10 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/23/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted May 12, 2004 LadyC Amen to your post!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LadyC Posted May 12, 2004 Share Posted May 12, 2004 senerhu, you forgot that iraqi wages have increased enormously. the average school teacher has gone from $5 a month to $180 per month. you forgot to mention that iraqis now have bookstores that carry something worth reading, and that iraqi citizens are free to purchase books that don't promote hussein's agenda. you forgot to mention that iraqis now have the freedom to watch news programs that aren't run by hussein, have the freedom to write and read articles in their newspapers things that they were never allowed to read or write before. there has been so much progress in that country in a short span of one year it's mind boggling. yet the liberals and the media don't want us to know these things! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
senerhu Posted May 12, 2004 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 120 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,661 Content Per Day: 0.23 Reputation: 10 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/23/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted May 12, 2004 LadyC, I'll add em to the list... yet the liberals and the media don't want us to know these things! don't get me started...LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Work in Progress Posted May 12, 2004 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 123 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 3,111 Content Per Day: 0.39 Reputation: 35 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/29/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted May 12, 2004 I was prowar. I was proBush...I AM still conservative...but I have serious reservations about the war and Bush now. Some of the positives: .... The first battalion of the new Iraqi Army has graduated and is on active duty. .... Over 60,000 Iraqis now provide security to their fellow citizens. .... Nearly all of Iraq's 400 courts are functioning. .... The Iraqi judiciary is fully independent. .... On Monday, October 6 power generation hit 4,518 megawatts-exceeding the prewar average. .... All 22 universities and 43 technical institutes and colleges are open, as are nearly all primary and secondary schools. .... By October 1, Coalition forces had rehab-ed over 1,500 schools - 500 more than scheduled. .... Teachers earn from 12 to 25 times their former salaries. .... All 240 hospitals and more than 1200 clinics are open. .... Doctors salaries are at least eight times what they were under Saddam. .... Pharmaceutical distribution has gone from essentially nothing to 700 tons in May to a current total of 12,000 tons. .... The Coalition has helped administer over 22 million vaccination doses to Iraq's children. .... A Coalition program has cleared over 14,000 kilometers of Iraq's 27,000 kilometers of weed-choked canals which now irrigate tens of thousands of farms. This project has created jobs for more than 100,000 Iraqi men and women. .... We have restored over three-quarters of prewar telephone services and over two-thirds of the potable water production. .... There are 4,900 full-service telephone connections. We expect 50,000 by year-end. .... The wheels of commerce are turning. From bicycles to satellite dishes to cars and trucks, businesses are coming to life in all major cities and towns. .... 95 percent of all prewar bank customers have service and first-time customers are opening accounts daily. .... Iraqi banks are making loans to finance businesses. .... The central bank is fully independent. .... Iraq has one of the worlds most growth-oriented investment and banking laws. .... Iraq has a single, unified currency for the first time in 15 years. .... Satellite TV dishes are legal. .... Foreign journalists aren't on 10-day visas paying mandatory and extortionate fees to the Ministry of Information for minders and other government spies. .... There is no Ministry of Information. .... There are more than 170 newspapers. .... You can buy satellite dishes on what seems like every street corner. .... Foreign journalists (and everyone else) are free to come and go. .... A nation that had not one single element - legislative, judicial or executive - of a representative government now does. .... In Baghdad alone residents have selected 88 advisory councils. Baghdad's first democratic transfer of power in 35 years happened when the city council elected its new chairman. .... Today in Iraq chambers of commerce, business, school and professional organizations are electing their leaders all over the country. .... 25 ministers, selected by the most representative governing body in Iraq's history, run the day-to-day business of government. .... The Iraqi government regularly participates in international events. Since July the Iraqi government has been represented in over two dozen international meetings, including those of the UN General Assembly, the Arab League, the World Bank and IMF and, today, the Islamic Conference Summit. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs has announced that it is reopening over 30 Iraqi embassies around the world. .... Shia religious festivals that were all but banned, aren't. .... For the first time in 35 years, in Karbala thousands of Shiites celebrate the pilgrimage of the 12th Imam. .... The Coalition has completed over 13,000 reconstruction projects, large and small, as part of a strategic plan for the reconstruction of Iraq. .... Uday and Queasy are dead - and no longer feeding innocent Iraqis to the zoo lions, raping the young daughters of local leaders to force cooperation, torturing Iraq's soccer players for losing games, or murdering critics. .... Children aren't imprisoned or murdered when their parents disagree with the government. .... Political opponents aren't imprisoned, tortured, executed, maimed, or are forced to watch their families die for disagreeing with Saddam. .... Millions of long-suffering Iraqis no longer live in perpetual terror. .... Saudis will hold municipal elections. .... Qatar is reforming education to give more choices to parents. .... Jordan is accelerating market economic reforms. .... The Nobel Peace Prize was awarded for the first time to an Iranian -- a Muslim woman who speaks out with courage for human rights, for democracy and for peace. .... Saddam is gone and in jail. .... Iraq is free. .... President Bush has not faltered or failed. .... Yet, little or none of this information has been published by the Press corps that prides itself on brings you all the news that's important. Iraq under US lead control has come further in six months than Germany did in seven years or Japan did in nine years following WWII. Military deaths from fanatic Nazis, and Japanese numbered in the thousands and continued for over three years after WWII victory was declared. What a wonderful post, Senerhu. Thank you. Cat, I hope you aren't lumping me in with those who justify what the soldiers did, simply because I refuse to be embarrassed to be an American and refuse to change over to the liberal way of thinking now. I think they should be court martialed. I believe we should adhere to the Geneva Convention - ALL of it, ALL of the time. QUOTEÂ We can no longer say we are the victims...now we know there's two sides to the story. I was prowar. I was proBush...I AM still conservative...but I have serious reservations about the war and Bush now. **************** (YOD said)- which is exactly what CNN and CBS wanted. So true, YOD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted May 12, 2004 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 599 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,260 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,988 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted May 12, 2004 Here is an interesting article from FoxNews on the subject. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,119580,00.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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