War on terror

[Rick-Parker]

Every time we take up arms and fight against these people, they get stronger. We kicked over their little sandcastle in Afghanistan and what did it get us? They hate us even more. We tipped Saddam out of Iraq, and instead of harming Al-Qa'ida's cause, we strengthened it. Iraq went from a largely-secular country to a land torn apart by civil war at the hands of Islamic extrements - extremists that had no power in Saddam's Iraq.

Theirs is an idealogy of hate, and the more violence you use, the more Moslems you kill, the more they hate us. Not just you lot who are doing most of the fighting, but all of us in the west. The only real counter to their idealogy is for every right-thinking person, regardless of faith, to turn to them and tell them they're not wanted. Their brand of hatred does not represent Islam, it represents only lust for power and dominance, clothed in the trappings of Islam. When the real Moslems cast them out, then we can round them up and throw them into a camp somewhere to rot, but until every Moslem decides, for themselves, that Islamo-fascism isn't the way they want their faith thought of, all the military action, all the overblown patriotism and all the angry online posts won't change a thing.

Just as what you folks over there in jolly ol' England are doing. They are taking over your country from the inside because of your perceived pacifism and appeasment. Right now you have a police state. Soon you will live in a semi-muslim state. You know where ir's going from there.

[Smalcald]

If we outlaw Moslem missionaries we become everything we're fighting against. The UK stands for freedom - of religious expression and belief, among other freedoms. When you take that away, we become just like the Islamic extremists. They don't want people to be free to express their beliefs, they want everyone to be forced to believe what they do.

Our favourite philosopher, Nietzche (spelling optional) once said, "He that fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. When you gaze long into the abyss, the abyss also gazes into you."

No I am not talking about outlawing religious expression, the US in fact has more religious freedom than the UK, we allow people to evangelize anywhere any time, including within some public school settings. No that is not what I mean. I am talking about the government of Saudi Arabia directly funding evangelization as a government program in the UK and the US, which they do. We don't have to allow any foreign government to spend money in our countries doing things we don't or approve of. Sure US citizens who are Muslims are certainly welcome to evangelize. But what the Saudi government is doing is a planned program of subversion which has nothing to do with religious expression. We should demand that Saudi Arabia stop executing Muslims who convert to Christianity, which is a law in that country, yet we allow these murderous thugs to spend millions in our countries preaching their religion which in their country preaches that it is okay for the state to kill someone because they are a follower of Christ, it

[irishcowboy]

If we outlaw Moslem missionaries we become everything we're fighting against. The UK stands for freedom - of religious expression and belief, among other freedoms. When you take that away, we become just like the Islamic extremists. They don't want people to be free to express their beliefs, they want everyone to be forced to believe what they do.

Our favourite philosopher, Nietzche (spelling optional) once said, "He that fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. When you gaze long into the abyss, the abyss also gazes into you."

No I am not talking about outlawing religious expression, the US in fact has more religious freedom than the UK, we allow people to evangelize anywhere any time, including within some public school settings. No that is not what I mean. I am talking about the government of Saudi Arabia directly funding evangelization as a government program in the UK and the US, which they do. We don't have to allow any foreign government to spend money in our countries doing things we don't or approve of. Sure US citizens who are Muslims are certainly welcome to evangelize. But what the Saudi government is doing is a planned program of subversion which has nothing to do with religious expression. We should demand that Saudi Arabia stop executing Muslims who convert to Christianity, which is a law in that country, yet we allow these murderous thugs to spend millions in our countries preaching their religion which in their country preaches that it is okay for the state to kill someone because they are a follower of Christ, it

[O'Dannyboy]

Well said Mike.

[Rick-Parker]

Perhaps we should change war on terror to the war against Islamo-fascism? Will that make the muslims happy? How about the politically correct SPs?

[Smalcald]

Well I can't totally disagree mike; we do have some major problems.

It is indeed hard to make a case in Islamic countries when all they see of a so called "Christian" nation is outward sin. Believe me gay marriage, porn, mtv, abortion, and so forth have no chance of happening in Saudi or any Islamic country for that matter.

This is not a good testimony we are giving and I think it really hurts us in this war we are in.

[Guest]