It Is Said!

[Snowdoove]

It is said that the Jews are GOD'S Chosen People.

There was a covenant created between YHVH and His People.

The OT has many verses that speak about this covenant.

The NT doesn't have as many verses as the OT.

Acts 3:25 reads,"Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which GOD made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

Some Believers of Yeshua state that the Jews can't be Blessed without believing in Yeshua.

What do you say?

Snowdoove

[gypc]

If you reJect Jesus (Yeshua) then your rejecting God!!!!!!!!!!

[Snowdoove]

If you reJect Jesus (Yeshua) then your rejecting God!!!!!!!!!!

gypc~

The question is will the Jews Be Blessed even though they don't accept Jesus as their LORD?

Snowdoove

[gypc]

When you say blessed, what do you mean?

[BoldlyProclaimingChrist]

If the Jews don't accept Jesus as their Messiah, then they are only Jews by nationality which makes them NOT one of God's people. God will not accept a Jew just because he's a Jew while they reject Him. But we gentiles if we accept Him as Messiah, then we will be grafted into the branches - a sort of substitution. We would be the Elect.

God's chosen people are not 'better' than anyone else - God simply chose to work through them to display His glory. He chose the tiny state of Israel because it was so very small - what glory God has when He raises a mighty army from such a tiny nation!

p.s. I do not adhere to replacement theology.

[Guest Shilo]

BoldlyProclaimingChrist,Jun 19 2004, 03:34 AM]If the Jews don't accept Jesus as their Messiah, then they are only Jews by nationality which makes them NOT one of God's people. God will not accept a Jew just because he's a Jew while they reject Him. But we gentiles if we accept Him as Messiah, then we will be grafted into the branches - a sort of substitution. We would be the Elect.

God's chosen people are not 'better' than anyone else - God simply chose to work through them to display His glory. He chose the tiny state of Israel because it was so very small - what glory God has when He raises a mighty army from such a tiny nation!

p.s. I do not adhere to replacement theology.

BPCsaid If the Jews don't accept Jesus as their Messiah, then they are only Jews by nationality which makes them NOT one of God's people.

So then the OT is null and void because the Jews back then didn't have their Messiah and they were only a nation. They were never God's people......hhhmmmmm think about that statement you made.

BPC said God will not accept a Jew just because he's a Jew while they reject Him.

Think again, are they rejecting him or are they just blind?

BPC said But we gentiles if we accept Him as Messiah, then we will be grafted into the branches - a sort of substitution. We would be the Elect.

Who are the branches that we are grafted into? And if we Gentiles boast about our being grafted in what will happen to us? A Substitution of What??????? We are partakers of what is promised to the Jews... Define Elect in you statement above.

BPC said God's chosen people are not 'better' than anyone else

Ok, I am now confused by who you define as God's chosen people? You said

If the Jews don't accept Jesus as their Messiah, then they are only Jews by nationality which makes them NOT one of God's people...and then you saidGod's chosen people are not 'better' than anyone else So who is God's chosen people?????

BPC said God simply chose to work through them to display His glory. He chose the tiny state of Israel because it was so very small - what glory God has when He raises a mighty army from such a tiny nation!

Did God chose a small state? You must read in the OT of what land God gave to Israel and it is still theirs today!!!!!!

p.s. I do not adhere to replacement theology.

Sounds like replacement theology to me

[Botz]

Rom 11:25 For I don't desire, brothers, to have you ignorant of this mystery, so that you won't be wise in your own conceits, that a partial hardening has happened to Yisra'el, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in,

Rom 11:26 and so all Yisra'el will be saved. Even as it is written, "There will come out of Tziyon the Deliverer, and he will turn away ungodliness from Ya`akov.

Rom 11:27 This is my covenant to them, when I will take away their sins."

Rom 11:28 Concerning the Good News, they are enemies for your sake. But concerning the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sake.

Rom 11:29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.

The Jewish people have always had a special place in the heart of G-d...they are the apple of His eye...and His covenant has been with them through thick and through thin. He totally identifies with the Jewish people and although many may have rejected Him He has never rejected His people. It is a sad fact that there will be both Jews and Christians to whom the L-rd will say...depart from Me I never knew you. The Church has certainly not replaced Israel in the Heart and plans of G-d...and it is us Gentiles who have the privilege of knowing the Jewish G-d and are engrafted into the Jewish root and not the other way around.

[nebula]

Well said, Botz!

[BoldlyProclaimingChrist]

BoldlyProclaimingChrist,Jun 19 2004, 03:34 AM]If the Jews don't accept Jesus as their Messiah, then they are only Jews by nationality which makes them NOT one of God's people. God will not accept a Jew just because he's a Jew while they reject Him. But we gentiles if we accept Him as Messiah, then we will be grafted into the branches - a sort of substitution. We would be the Elect.

God's chosen people are not 'better' than anyone else - God simply chose to work through them to display His glory. He chose the tiny state of Israel because it was so very small - what glory God has when He raises a mighty army from such a tiny nation!

p.s. I do not adhere to replacement theology.

BPCsaid If the Jews don't accept Jesus as their Messiah, then they are only Jews by nationality which makes them NOT one of God's people.

So then the OT is null and void because the Jews back then didn't have their Messiah and they were only a nation. They were never God's people......hhhmmmmm think about that statement you made.

BPC said God will not accept a Jew just because he's a Jew while they reject Him.

Think again, are they rejecting him or are they just blind?

BPC said But we gentiles if we accept Him as Messiah, then we will be grafted into the branches - a sort of substitution. We would be the Elect.

Who are the branches that we are grafted into? And if we Gentiles boast about our being grafted in what will happen to us? A Substitution of What??????? We are partakers of what is promised to the Jews... Define Elect in you statement above.

BPC said God's chosen people are not 'better' than anyone else

Ok, I am now confused by who you define as God's chosen people? You said

If the Jews don't accept Jesus as their Messiah, then they are only Jews by nationality which makes them NOT one of God's people...and then you saidGod's chosen people are not 'better' than anyone else So who is God's chosen people?????

BPC said God simply chose to work through them to display His glory. He chose the tiny state of Israel because it was so very small - what glory God has when He raises a mighty army from such a tiny nation!

Did God chose a small state? You must read in the OT of what land God gave to Israel and it is still theirs today!!!!!!

p.s. I do not adhere to replacement theology.

Sounds like replacement theology to me

You act like everything I've said is foreign to you - and if it is, then you've got a lot of reading to do or at least check your interpretation. What I said is not new. I'm not about to debate with you point by point because the Bible is clear and I'm surprised you would dispute everything. Yes the Lord loves the Jews and they are chosen, but if they're blind and reject Jesus the Messiah - guess what? They're not going to heaven Period. Some verses for you to read - and please read them.

Romans

9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; 10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: 11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. 12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. 13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: 14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: 15 Their feet are swift to shed blood: 16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:

Romans 3:29 - Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also

1 Corinthians 9:20 - And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;

1 Corinthians 12:13 - For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

[Guest Shilo]

The Jews do not get a free ticket to heaven just because they are Jews.

never said they did.