Karma

[MorningGlory]

My karma ran over your dogma.

Someone had to do it!

[seekeratthesea]

Well as we all know Karma in a nutshell is "What goes around comes around" and what we also know is most Christians disagree with this theory (Im NOT one). I personally believe Christians believe in it too, just they don't call it Karma. I may be reading it wrong or such, if I am.. tell me.

Heres one;

Luke 6:378, "Judge not, and ye shall not be judged : Condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: Forgive, and ye shall be forgiven.

Sounds alot like what goes around comes around, or what you do to others will be done to you.

P.S. I am a Christian im just saying...

Alex

I think karma equals the symmetry of God, in that He wired the universe to react in goodly ways to good input and in evil ways to evil input.....

Karma/God's symmetry can be noticed by anyone, including false religions that created that name for it. It's just that although they see God's work, they still end up crediting it to their false gods/beliefs. So for the time being, they end up seeing God more "through the glass darkly" than we do.

[seekeratthesea]

Well as we all know Karma in a nutshell is "What goes around comes around" and what we also know is most Christians disagree with this theory (Im NOT one). I personally believe Christians believe in it too, just they don't call it Karma. I may be reading it wrong or such, if I am.. tell me.

Heres one;

Luke 6:378, "Judge not, and ye shall not be judged : Condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: Forgive, and ye shall be forgiven.

Sounds alot like what goes around comes around, or what you do to others will be done to you.

P.S. I am a Christian im just saying...

Alex

Here's how God put "Karma Control" into our hands........

Luke 6:31 And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.

[OneLight]

1st Commandment: You shall have no other gods before Me.

This is plain enough. Karma comes from the Hindu and Buddhist religions, not from the Bible. Not to belittle what you believe seekeratthesea, but your idea of Karma is not the real Karma that is taught in the religious sects. Your's is the New Age meaning that is being taught in the Emergent Church, which has twisted the truth so to allow everyone to feel comfortable. In other words, they do not teach scripture, but have rolled their beliefs up in a package and have labeled it "love".

Your quote. "Luke 6:31 And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise. " is liken onto the second of the great two commandments.

Matthew 22:39

And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'

This is not Karma, but a command. Wisely, we can discern that we would always treat ourselves in love, therefore, we should treat others in love.

Be Blessed.

In His Love,

OneLight

[seekeratthesea]

1st Commandment: You shall have no other gods before Me.

This is plain enough. Karma comes from the Hindu and Buddhist religions, not from the Bible. Not to belittle what you believe seekeratthesea, but your idea of Karma is not the real Karma that is taught in the religious sects. Your's is the New Age meaning that is being taught in the Emergent Church, which has twisted the truth so to allow everyone to feel comfortable. In other words, they do not teach scripture, but have rolled their beliefs up in a package and have labeled it "love".

Your quote. "Luke 6:31 And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise. " is liken onto the second of the great two commandments.

Matthew 22:39

And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'

This is not Karma, but a command. Wisely, we can discern that we would always treat ourselves in love, therefore, we should treat others in love.

Be Blessed.

The word "karma" might come from those religions but that's only because they observe God's design and misapply what they see to their own false religion. The mechanics of karma (or whatever word/phrase you like) are real, they come from the Jewish/Christian God though......not some blue guy with 16 arms.

In His Love,

OneLight

[OneLight]

The word "karma" might come from those religions but that's only because they observe God's design and misapply what they see to their own false religion. The mechanics of karma (or whatever word/phrase you like) are real, they come from the Jewish/Christian God though......not some blue guy with 16 arms.

By using the very words that other religions use, you are in fact taking of them and applying it to God words. God promises us blessings, but He does not only give back what you have given out, which is what that word means in today, even though it is not what it was meant to mean from the religious sects.

Show me scripture, please.

In His Love,

OneLight

[seekeratthesea]

The word "karma" might come from those religions but that's only because they observe God's design and misapply what they see to their own false religion. The mechanics of karma (or whatever word/phrase you like) are real, they come from the Jewish/Christian God though......not some blue guy with 16 arms.

By using the very words that other religions use, you are in fact taking of them and applying it to God words. God promises us blessings, but He does not only give back what you have given out, which is what that word means in today, even though it is not what it was meant to mean from the religious sects.

Show me scripture, please.

In His Love,

OneLight

Why is it "taking of them and applying it to God words" instead of "putting all things including the notions of karma beneath Gods word where it belongs"

After all, anything like that that is controlled by God in the first place, false religions just see the same things we do and give credit where it doesn't belong. Whether they say "karma" "what goes around comes around" or some other phrase or word in a foreign language or in English, it's the same principle or notion........all of which come under Gods authority.

I can imagine the same type of arguments being made centuries ago when people began using a pagan holiday to celebrate Christ's birthday. When Christianity bumps into false religions, the false religions end up losing, and Christianity ends up advancing so the other side of this coin is that we further Christianity by not shying away from things like this.

I wouldn't fixate on the word too much but what is actually being said and meant by the person using the word. I've used the phrase "God's karma", which is not putting God beneath the word "karma" but the other way around. And people know exactly what I'm talking about. Don't be afraid of false religions or of the word "karma" it's just a word.

[OneLight]

Why is it "taking of them and applying it to God words" instead of "putting all things including the notions of karma beneath Gods word where it belongs"

After all, anything like that that is controlled by God in the first place, false religions just see the same things we do and give credit where it doesn't belong. Whether they say "karma" "what goes around comes around" or some other phrase or word in a foreign language or in English, it's the same principle or notion........all of which come under Gods authority.

I can imagine the same type of arguments being made centuries ago when people began using a pagan holiday to celebrate Christ's birthday. When Christianity bumps into false religions, the false religions end up losing, and Christianity ends up advancing so the other side of this coin is that we further Christianity by not shying away from things like this.

I wouldn't fixate on the word too much but what is actually being said and meant by the person using the word. I've used the phrase "God's karma", which is not putting God beneath the word "karma" but the other way around. And people know exactly what I'm talking about. Don't be afraid of false religions or of the word "karma" it's just a word.

Afraid, I am not. Respect is what I am talking about. One of the main issues with todays church is that it has allowed New Age thinking and terminology to seep in and become normal to some. I am not afraid of any term, but I do not want to combine the two.

You mentioned that everything comes under Gods authority. Though I know what this means in governmental settings, may I ask how you contribute this to religious settings? To me, I read that this means that God has authority over Wicca, Satanism, Pagan Worshiping and so forth. Is this what you mean? If so, then can you explain why God would tell us to have no other Gods before Him when these religions worship those other Gods?

Peace In Jesus,

OneLight

[P_Joseph]

The Sanskrit word Karma (or kamma in Pali) literally means action. In Buddhism however, karma mainly refers to one's intention or motivation while doing an action.

The shortest explanation of karma that I know is: 'you get what you give'. In other words; whatever you do intentionally to others, a similar thing will happen to yourself in the future.

Our largest obstacle to understanding or even believing in karma may be time. The 're-actions' or results of our actions show up with a time delay, and it becomes extremely hard to tell which action caused which result. Actions done in a previous life can create results in this life, but who can remember their past life? For ordinary humans, the mechanisms of karma can be intellectually understood to some extent, but never completely "seen".[from a view on Buddhist Karma]

I am the owner of my karma .

I inherit my karma.

I am born of my karma.

I am related to my karma.

I live supported by my karma.

Whatever karma I create, whether good or evil, that I shall inherit."

The Buddha, Anguttara Nikaya V.57 - Upajjhatthana Sutta

Isaiah 14:13-14 (King James Version)

King James Version (KJV)

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13For thou hast said in thine heart,

I will ascend into heaven,

I will exalt my throne above the stars of God:

I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

I will ascend above the heights of the clouds;

I will be like the most High.

So who do you think is behind this karma thing??

12How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

Isaiah 14:12 (King James Version)

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Mixed in with a little Humanism.

hu

Edited July 13, 2008 by P_Joseph

[seekeratthesea]

Why is it "taking of them and applying it to God words" instead of "putting all things including the notions of karma beneath Gods word where it belongs"

After all, anything like that that is controlled by God in the first place, false religions just see the same things we do and give credit where it doesn't belong. Whether they say "karma" "what goes around comes around" or some other phrase or word in a foreign language or in English, it's the same principle or notion........all of which come under Gods authority.

I can imagine the same type of arguments being made centuries ago when people began using a pagan holiday to celebrate Christ's birthday. When Christianity bumps into false religions, the false religions end up losing, and Christianity ends up advancing so the other side of this coin is that we further Christianity by not shying away from things like this.

I wouldn't fixate on the word too much but what is actually being said and meant by the person using the word. I've used the phrase "God's karma", which is not putting God beneath the word "karma" but the other way around. And people know exactly what I'm talking about. Don't be afraid of false religions or of the word "karma" it's just a word.

Afraid, I am not. Respect is what I am talking about. One of the main issues with todays church is that it has allowed New Age thinking and terminology to seep in and become normal to some. I am not afraid of any term, but I do not want to combine the two.

You mentioned that everything comes under Gods authority. Though I know what this means in governmental settings, may I ask how you contribute this to religious settings? To me, I read that this means that God has authority over Wicca, Satanism, Pagan Worshiping and so forth. Is this what you mean? If so, then can you explain why God would tell us to have no other Gods before Him when these religions worship those other Gods?

Peace In Jesus,

OneLight

I know you don't disrespect God's word in any way but I think respect for God should include correct perspective on his Word, will and power over a 5 letter word..."karma", or even the false religion that incorrectly applies this karmaic principle to some false god. And I have never heard the word karma mentioned in today's church, or any church I've been too. I don't know where the notion of "karma" originated but it's not specific to whatever culture that specific word came from. The idea of you get what you give, what goes around comes around, etc is world wide and it is mentioned in the Bible. I see no problem with acknowledging the principle of karma as long as it's correctly applied to the True God as being the way He wired the universe to bless good and curse evil. And it's not combining/mixing the two, it's taking the false God out of the karmaic principle, that what I meant by "everything comes under God's authority" and yes, that would include all false religions, including Satan himself in that they all exist at God's current discretion and one day will not exist at all. If a person is serious about not mixing the two, then the person needs to apply that to every instance where it might be occurring, i.e. Christmas, birthdays, etc, because if not, then we have hundreds of millions of Christians giving their approval on many centuries worth of mixing the two. But in truth, when we "mix the two" Christianity wins and gets furthered because it amounts to mixing truth with falsity, that's why Christmas (despite the commercialism that it suffers) has now effectively become a Christian holiday instead of a pagan holiday.

I suppose you can draw automatic connections between use of the word "karma" and the "blue guy gods" but in the real world that's not how it ends up being, even though the word originates in a culture that believes in a "blue guy god" Most people don't even know the name of the blue guy god and if you told them would probably forget the name by the end of the day because they don't care about it. False religions can still recognize real goings on, like "what goes around comes around"...fixating on the word they use to describe this principle is misdirection in my opinion, they problem isn't the word, it's applying the principle to a false god.