Healing

[stacey c]

You know, we wouldn't need "faith healers" (hate the term) if the Body of Christ was operating out of all the wondrous gifts that God desires to give her! It is becasue the local churches have failed in this area that those who operate in their gifts become more of a celebrity among believers. If the Body of Christ were functioning on all cylinders, we would be receiving our healings regularly within our own local churches as the gifts of the Holy Spirit are to be manifest within each church group to comprise a whole Body of Christ to that congregation.

Therefore, all this concern and difference of opinion on healing would not have a place among believers today--too bad.

You heal anyone lately?

Jesus already paid the price for our health. By His stripes we were healed. The christian just needs to believe in the work He already accomplished.

[ayin jade]

I believe that by His stripes I am healed from the penalty of sin, as Isaiah states. A spiritual healing.

If He chooses to heal otherwise, Im thrilled. Ive seen it happen. Its not His mission, to heal us from sickness. His mission is to restore us to God, through His blood atonement.

[ayin jade]

I believe that by His stripes I am healed from the penalty of sin, as Isaiah states. A spiritual healing.

If He chooses to heal otherwise, Im thrilled. Ive seen it happen. Its not His mission, to heal us from sickness. His mission is to restore us to God, through His blood atonement.

Ahh, but that's one of the many wonders of God! His mission, as you say, is to save our souls, BUT He still cares about our physical being. That's why He heals! Ain't He great!

And He also chooses not to heal too.

[ayin jade]

You know, we wouldn't need "faith healers" (hate the term) if the Body of Christ was operating out of all the wondrous gifts that God desires to give her! It is becasue the local churches have failed in this area that those who operate in their gifts become more of a celebrity among believers. If the Body of Christ were functioning on all cylinders, we would be receiving our healings regularly within our own local churches as the gifts of the Holy Spirit are to be manifest within each church group to comprise a whole Body of Christ to that congregation.

Therefore, all this concern and difference of opinion on healing would not have a place among believers today--too bad.

You heal anyone lately?

I think I can answer this for FA: No, she hasn't. SHE doesn't heal anyone. Whether God has used her in healing someone else or not, I don't know. But I do know that in herself, she doesn't have the ability to do so. And I know she would agree with this.

It may seem like a trivial matter of semantics, but it's really not. It's kind of the crux of the whole thing, and I think what FA was saying. What do we do? Nothing! It's ALL the Holy Spirit working through us. (John 15:5) Regardless of one's beliefs about the gifts of the Spirit, I think a lot of Christians would agree with this. But that's also where a lot of Christians get into trouble: they do things on their own instead of allowing the Spirit to work. If all Christians everywhere would allow the Spirit to do the work, I don't think we'd be talking about whether healings took place or not, because it'd be all over the place, just like FA said!

Ok, using your terminology then. Did the Lord work through you FA to heal anyone lately?

Or you too Isaiah?

[Ovedya]

If God is supposed to heal EVERYONE, why does Kenneth Hagin Jr. still wear glasses???

...And why does Benny Hinn have a personal physician?

Perhaps even the great "faith healers" also lack sufficient faith for their own healing.

Still waiting to hear about all those "raising the dead" ministries.

Smith Wigglesworth raised people from the dead thru the power of the Holy Ghost. Rhineheart Bunky has a powerful ministry abroad.

Okay, but where are the ministries specifically designed to raise people from the dead. Since there are ministries specifically for faith healing, why are there none for raising the dead?

[Ovedya]

IMO, Shiloh's use of one of his peoples' slang terms was not intended to poke fun. I did not see his question as being cheeky but legitimate.

The word "shtick" basically means to entertain. Even the faith healers he's talking about don't do it as an entertainment routine. If the question was not to poke fun, a different word choice would have been used.

The big faith healers today absolutely do it for the entertainment value. It's why millions of people flock to their crusades every year looking to "get their healing."

Shiloh made a valid point about these people visiting hospitals. If the faith healers were truly following the Lord's example they would do exactly as He did and visit the sick where they are.

[Ovedya]

I believe that by His stripes I am healed from the penalty of sin, as Isaiah states. A spiritual healing.

If He chooses to heal otherwise, Im thrilled. Ive seen it happen. Its not His mission, to heal us from sickness. His mission is to restore us to God, through His blood atonement.

Amen!

[Guest man]

The big faith healers today absolutely do it for the entertainment value. It's why millions of people flock to their crusades every year looking to "get their healing."

And there's a lot of money to be made at these crusades.

The most they'd get out of visiting a hospital, is a few "thank you's", if they did in fact heal anyone. You can't pay for a million dollar mansion with a thank you.

[Guest shiloh357]

God does allow babies to be born with ills because we live on a cursed world. When Adam fell the world became cursed, so we are born a cursed people into a cursed world, but Jesus came and broke that curse, restoring us back into fellowship with our Father and ALL He has promised us. We accept Christ we accept His promises into our lives. I don't have to settle for the curses of this world. There are over ten thousand promises in the Word that I can claim as mine as a co-inheriter with Christ. Healing is one of them. How is God's children walking around with sickness and lack lifting up His name? We are to rule and reign as kings and priest. Jesus said that the kingdom of God is with in us, that means we have Royal dominion with in us. We are to be the head and not the tail. If I am not living in the promises that God has promised me, I am not living in royal dominion and I am not the head.

Hmmmm......I thought only Christ was the head of the Body.

I'm sure your not purposly misinterpreting what I meant. Christ is the head of the church.

I'm not purposefully misinterpreting, I just don't know what you mean by "We are to be the head not the tail."

God wants us to walk in victory. He wants His church to be ahead of the world, to be the top not the bottom. He's called us to victorious living. Yet the church in general lives in lack and despair that is not what God wants for us. We are to be a an example of God's goodness to His children, so He will be glorified.

At what time in history did the church not live in "lack and despair"? I'm confused, because it seems that you're advocating the same type of spirituality of the charismatics, who generally believe that there will be a great revival in the church at some near point. Please explain.

There is comming the former and the latter rain together, which will greater the anything that the Church has ever seen

we are in the latter rain now, and we are senning healings and miracles and signs & wonders.

imagin what the former & latter rain will be like.

Jesus is coming back for a glorious Church, one doing mighty signs & wonders.

whe Jesus come back, We'll be just like Him.

The "former rain" and "latter rain" have nothing to do with miracles, signs and wonders. They pertain to the first and second comings of Christ. They have nothing to do with revival. Basically, the phrases have been hijacked to support some belief in an "end time revival."

The Bible's definition of "The former & latter rain" Is signs & wonders.

If the original text says, Out standing miracles and great works of power, Then I'd rather believe it then Your opinion.

Sorry, but that is not what the original text says. Former and latter rain are agricultural terms and pertain the the spring and fall festivals, and and having the former and latter rain in the first month pertain to the months of Nissan and Tishrei.

Nisan (Aviv) is hte first month on the Jewish sacred calender and is the month of Passover and Tishrei is the first month on the Jewish civil calendar and is the month of Rosh Hashannah. Both are pictures of the first and second comings of Jesus, not with signs and wond3ers.

[Guest shiloh357]

The big faith healers today absolutely do it for the entertainment value. It's why millions of people flock to their crusades every year looking to "get their healing."

And there's a lot of money to be made at these crusades.

The most they'd get out of visiting a hospital, is a few "thank you's", if they did in fact heal anyone. You can't pay for a million dollar mansion with a thank you.

Precisely...

The other problem is that there would be a specific face to face accountability that they don't have to deal with, under the current system.

They always heal people of things you can't see like arthritis or maybe the person was deaf in one ear. What about growing a new limb?, How about Down's Syndrome or Cereberal Palsey?

I believe in healing and the laying on of hands and all of that, but I will believe people like Hinn are really operating in the power of God when just ONE of his "prophecies" comes true, or when we get to see someone get visibly and verifiably/certifiably healed on camera. If he is for real, we would be seeing serious life threatening ailments healed, the hospitals would be laying off staff because of a lack of patients.

I am not interested in excuses. Let's just see real, verifiable/certifiable results that meet a reasonable level of "proof."