"Evolution is a chance process"

[artsylady]

My fresh water fish with added salt are alive and well. It's been three weeks now!

[ted]

It hasnt been created & properly alligned, look at all the faults of the earth, the slipped disks under the surface that causes earth quakes, the volcanoes, the deformed creatures that crawl this earth... nothing has been done properly.

Ever notice how God created the earth to renew itself? All of these fires, earthquakes, hurricanes, tornados, rains, floods,etc..

they all bring about new life and wash away the old.

Nature simply paralells God's Plan of Salvation.

Jesus is our Spiritual "natural disaster", sent to wash away our old life in sin and bring forth our new life in Him.

I contend that he created every little "defect" to create new life.

Can you imagine what the natural world would be like if nothing died and gave way to new?

Pray for the understanding of His ways, friend.

t.

[Bread_of_Life]

My fresh water fish with added salt are alive and well. It's been three weeks now!

What concentration of salt did you use? What is the flux of water in and out of the tank? You should write a report on it, although I would imagine you didn't bother writing down the values you used, or even measuring them...?

[ted]

What concentration of salt did you use? What is the flux of water in and out of the tank? You should write a report on it, although I would imagine you didn't bother writing down the values you used, or even measuring them...?

Have you ever just said "wow" or "cool"?

t.

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[artsylady]

Put 2 tsps of salt in a cup of warm water and mixed it first. The fish look perfectly fine except the fish seem to be growing stumps???? lol. JK. They're just fine. Adding another 2 tsp today.

[Bread_of_Life]

Seawater runs at about 35 grams per litre, which means that a few tablespoons won't be enough. There is likely to be 80 or more litres in your tank, that's going to be 3kg or more of salt to make it seawater concentration. Ordinary table salt will do just fine, as long as there is no water added, and the water is not purified of salt in the mean time.

Check the volume of your tank (it should be in the instructions or on the box). Take the volume, multiply it by 35, and that's how many grams of salt you need to make it saline. Assuming the flood waters were fresh, and would thus dilute the salt content, I'd be happy to half this value (to cover the highest mountain) - although it's likely much much more salt would have entered the water from volcanism caused by the continents seperating, which is what creationists believe happened (although this would also introduce toxins, and I take it you don't keep them in your house).

I pity your fish.

[truseek]

Allo, havent posted in here for a while, but I just thought of this. I was reading about these experiments that were done on fruit flies to try to get them to evolve, drososomething or other, you prolly know what Im talkin 'bout SA. Anyway, while I was reading a though occorred to me. Can any of you evolutionists name an instance of something fundamentally new evoling in a species? Not like size, color change and relatively superficial things like that, but a new organ or something?

In Christ

Truseek

[Bread_of_Life]

eurrghghg, drosophila, I hate em. The first time I came across them was in biology class, learning about mendelian genetics by breeding them and seeing how many got real and how many got vestigial wings, and then working backwards to infer how many dominant and recessive genes were in the original breeding pair. Only problem being, they tending to escape a lot.

They've been at my house recently too - in some fruit that went bad when I left it out for a couple of days - usually it's not that hot around here, but there was a heat wave while I was away, and I came home to find a swarm of drosophila all over my fruit basket

I'm afraid I don't know of any experiment to try to "get" them to evolve, no, sorry!

As for your specific question, it rather depends what you mean by "name an instance". Yes, evolutionists can "name" many instances of things evolving - the real question is, can they site an example they've seen themselves? Of course, the answer is "no", we've only been looking for 150 or so years - which even in fruitfly that's only gonna be a few thousand generations. That's not to say we've seen nothing new evolve - bacteria evolve at a huge rate, and we do see new diseases, and new strains of diseases all the time - often reacting to either natural or manufactured immunity. Furthermore, we can state examples of speciation happening in present day, called "ring species", so we know that speciation can happen.

But actually, how would you define "new". After all, if humans grew a third arm - the thirdness would be new, but the arm shape wouldn't be. Or if we grew a whole new appendage, the shape of the appendage would be new, but the underlying bone type and structure, blood vessels, skin type etc wouldn't be - the "new" appendage would just be a novel way of using old materials. So how "new" would you like such an example to be?

Let me give you an example - whales have developed a blowhole from a nose. It evolved further and further up the cranium, until it reached the top. It's now a blowhole - but it's an analog to a nose. Is this new? Or, staying on whales, they lost their hindlimbs, and adapted their forelimbs to swimming, in other words they turned the underlying bone structure of their front legs into paddles - is that new? Humans have evolved bi-pedalism by changing the structure of the skull, the upper vertebrae, the pelvis and legs. Is this "new"? The reason I've given these examples is that they appear in the fossil record, and also they might help me guage just how "new" something has to be before you'll be satisfied with its newness.

[truseek]

By new I was thinking something fundamentally new. Such as an organ which provided some previosly non-existant function.

In Christ

Truseek