Larry 2 Posted September 9, 2008 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 791 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 205 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/29/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted September 9, 2008 Is this conditional? John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Below is Strong's word defination for the word "Everlasting. ------------------ 166 aiwniov aionios ahee-o'-nee-os from 165; TDNT-1:208,31; adj AV-eternal 42, everlasting 25, the world began+5550 2, since the world began+5550 1, for ever 1; 71 1) without beginning and end, that which always has been and always will be 2) without beginning 3) without end, never to cease, everlasting For Synonyms see entry 5801 ------------------ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floatingaxe Posted September 9, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 9,613 Content Per Day: 1.45 Reputation: 656 Days Won: 9 Joined: 03/11/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/31/1952 Share Posted September 9, 2008 Yes, it is conditional. Without faith to believe in Jesus Chrst and availing oneself of His shed blood over our sins, we will not see God. In John 3:16, the word, "everlasting" means "eternal", unending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry 2 Posted September 9, 2008 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 791 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 205 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/29/2007 Status: Offline Author Share Posted September 9, 2008 Is this conditional? John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Below is Strong's word defination for the word "Everlasting. ------------------ 166 aiwniov aionios ahee-o'-nee-os from 165; TDNT-1:208,31; adj AV-eternal 42, everlasting 25, the world began+5550 2, since the world began+5550 1, for ever 1; 71 1) without beginning and end, that which always has been and always will be 2) without beginning 3) without end, never to cease, everlasting For Synonyms see entry 5801 ------------------ everlasting and eternal are really not the same. eternal is nubmer 1 whild everlasting is number 3 of your list I have heard it explained this way - The moment we believe we inherit God's own eternal life (Without beginning or end) everlasting Eternal or Everlasting use the same Strong's word definition below. ------------------------------- 166 aiwniov aionios ahee-o'-nee-os from 165; TDNT-1:208,31; adj AV-eternal 42, everlasting 25, the world began+5550 2, since the world began+5550 1, for ever 1; 71 1) without beginning and end, that which always has been and always will be 2) without beginning 3) without end, never to cease, everlasting For Synonyms see entry 5801 ------------------------------- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry 2 Posted September 9, 2008 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 791 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 205 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/29/2007 Status: Offline Author Share Posted September 9, 2008 Is this conditional? John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. A further thought on this: Whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Below is the Strong's Concordance definition of the word "Perish" and one of its meanings is "to devote or give over to eternal misery in hell." But then below is the Strong's Concordance definition of the word "Life." Sure doesn't sound like eternal separation from God to me. Now while the word "Damnation" means separation I fail to see where "Life" and "Damnation" fit the same definition, or where the words "Should not perish, but have everlasting life" equals damnation. ------------------------------------ PERISH 622 apoollumi apollumi ap-ol'-loo-mee from 575 and the base of 3639; TDNT-1:394,67; v AV-perish 33, destroy 26, lose 22, be lost 5, lost 4, misc 2; 92 1) to destroy 1a) to put out of the way entirely, abolish, put an end to ruin 1b) render useless 1c) to kill 1d) to declare that one must be put to death 1e) metaph. to devote or give over to eternal misery in hell 1f) to perish, to be lost, ruined, destroyed 2) to destroy 2a) to lose ------------------------------------- LIFE 2222 zwh zoe dzo-ay' from 2198; TDNT-2:832,290; n f AV-life 133, lifetime 1; 134 1) life 1a) the state of one who is possessed of vitality or is animate 1b) every living soul 2) life 2a) of the absolute fulness of life, both essential and ethical, which belongs to God, and through him both to the hypostatic "logos" and to Christ in whom the "logos" put on human nature 2b) life real and genuine, a life active and vigorous, devoted to God, blessed, in the portion even in this world of those who put their trust in Christ, but after the resurrection to be consummated by new accessions (among them a more perfect body), and to last for ever. For Synonyms see entry 5821 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovedya Posted September 9, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 375 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 11,400 Content Per Day: 1.44 Reputation: 125 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/30/2002 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/14/1971 Share Posted September 9, 2008 I have heard it explained this way - The moment we believe we inherit God's own eternal life (Without beginning or end) everlasting That makes no sense, since the moment we believe is the beginning. That is why it is everlasting life but not eternal. Only God is truly eternal. I agree that in translations they are used as the same, but I dont think they should be To have the eternal life is to have the life of God, to become a partaker of the divine nature (2 Pet. 1:4). Athanasius put it this way: God became a man so that man could become [a son of] God. When we believe into Him we become partakers of the divine nature. This is the Triune God Himself coming into us, to dwell within us as the real tabernacle of God on the earth. Today the church, the Body of Christ, is the tabernacle of God in the earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrs Posted September 9, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 45 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,081 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 53 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/13/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted September 9, 2008 Orthodox Biblical Christianity has always taught that when you are saved, you will have everlasting life in heaven with the Lord. If you do not repent, you spend eternity in a lake of fire that is never quenched. To teach that the eternal punishment ends, is to go against orthodox belief on the subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry 2 Posted September 9, 2008 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 791 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 205 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/29/2007 Status: Offline Author Share Posted September 9, 2008 Is this conditional? John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. A further thought on this: Whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Below is the Strong's Concordance definition of the word "Perish" and one of its meanings is "to devote or give over to eternal misery in hell." Satan believes in Jesus. Unless I missed it, it is actually the messengers of the Devil, which are devils that also believe, and tremble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry 2 Posted September 9, 2008 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 791 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 205 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/29/2007 Status: Offline Author Share Posted September 9, 2008 Is this conditional? John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. A further thought on this: Whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Below is the Strong's Concordance definition of the word "Perish" and one of its meanings is "to devote or give over to eternal misery in hell." Satan believes in Jesus. Unless I missed it, it is actually the messengers of the Devil, which are devils that also believe, and tremble So the demons or ''devils'' believe in Jesus but satan does not? I think you are fighting a loosing battle trying to get people to believe that. Thought you may want to know what the scripture actuall said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 I have heard it explained this way - The moment we believe we inherit God's own eternal life (Without beginning or end) everlasting Eternal life is God's own life living in us and through. We have eternal life today, right now. The word is the same in Hebrew and Gree, for everlasting or eternal. Eternal life is not a quality of life or even a length of time, which is why it has no beginning or end. It is not linear. Eternal life is a person Eternal life is Jesus, Himself who indwells us in the Person of the Holy Spirit. That is why we have a know-so salvation. We are saved right now because God's very life is in us right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kross Posted September 9, 2008 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 44 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,773 Content Per Day: 0.31 Reputation: 51 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/04/2008 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/27/1957 Share Posted September 9, 2008 Understanding that for life to be eternal, it has to have no beginning and no end. If you are a person who holds to the belief that those who are saved were chosen for salvation from the foundations of the Earth, then this would be clearly the case. If, on the other hand, you are one who believes that salvation begins when you make a choice to be saved, then everlasting life would be a more accurate use of the language. This use of the word indicating that your life has a beginning point as a created being. But, the one thing that is for certain, it means that we spend the rest of time with JESUS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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