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Is this conditional?

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Below is Strong's word defination for the word "Everlasting.

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166 aiwniov aionios ahee-o'-nee-os

from 165; TDNT-1:208,31; adj

AV-eternal 42, everlasting 25, the world began+5550 2, since the world began+5550 1, for ever 1; 71

1) without beginning and end, that which always has been and always will be

2) without beginning

3) without end, never to cease, everlasting

For Synonyms see entry 5801

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Yes, it is conditional. Without faith to believe in Jesus Chrst and availing oneself of His shed blood over our sins, we will not see God. In John 3:16, the word, "everlasting" means "eternal", unending.

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Is this conditional?

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Below is Strong's word defination for the word "Everlasting.

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166 aiwniov aionios ahee-o'-nee-os

from 165; TDNT-1:208,31; adj

AV-eternal 42, everlasting 25, the world began+5550 2, since the world began+5550 1, for ever 1; 71

1) without beginning and end, that which always has been and always will be

2) without beginning

3) without end, never to cease, everlasting

For Synonyms see entry 5801

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everlasting and eternal are really not the same.

eternal is nubmer 1 whild everlasting is number 3 of your list

I have heard it explained this way - The moment we believe we inherit God's own eternal life (Without beginning or end) everlasting

Eternal or Everlasting use the same Strong's word definition below.

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166 aiwniov aionios ahee-o'-nee-os

from 165; TDNT-1:208,31; adj

AV-eternal 42, everlasting 25, the world began+5550 2, since the world began+5550 1, for ever 1; 71

1) without beginning and end, that which always has been and always will be

2) without beginning

3) without end, never to cease, everlasting

For Synonyms see entry 5801

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Is this conditional?

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

A further thought on this:

Whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Below is the Strong's Concordance definition of the word "Perish" and one of its meanings is "to devote or give over to eternal misery in hell."

But then below is the Strong's Concordance definition of the word "Life." Sure doesn't sound like eternal separation from God to me.

Now while the word "Damnation" means separation I fail to see where "Life" and "Damnation" fit the same definition, or where the words "Should not perish, but have everlasting life" equals damnation.

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PERISH

622 apoollumi apollumi ap-ol'-loo-mee

from 575 and the base of 3639; TDNT-1:394,67; v

AV-perish 33, destroy 26, lose 22, be lost 5, lost 4, misc 2; 92

1) to destroy

1a) to put out of the way entirely, abolish, put an end to ruin

1b) render useless

1c) to kill

1d) to declare that one must be put to death

1e) metaph. to devote or give over to eternal misery in hell

1f) to perish, to be lost, ruined, destroyed

2) to destroy

2a) to lose

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LIFE

2222 zwh zoe dzo-ay'

from 2198; TDNT-2:832,290; n f

AV-life 133, lifetime 1; 134

1) life

1a) the state of one who is possessed of vitality or is animate

1b) every living soul

2) life

2a) of the absolute fulness of life, both essential and ethical, which belongs to God, and through him both to the hypostatic "logos" and to Christ in whom the "logos" put on human nature

2b) life real and genuine, a life active and vigorous, devoted to God, blessed, in the portion even in this world of those who put their trust in Christ, but after the resurrection to be consummated by new accessions (among them a more perfect body), and to last for ever.

For Synonyms see entry 5821

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I have heard it explained this way - The moment we believe we inherit God's own eternal life (Without beginning or end) everlasting

That makes no sense, since the moment we believe is the beginning. That is why it is everlasting life but not eternal. Only God is truly eternal. I agree that in translations they are used as the same, but I dont think they should be

To have the eternal life is to have the life of God, to become a partaker of the divine nature (2 Pet. 1:4). Athanasius put it this way: God became a man so that man could become [a son of] God. When we believe into Him we become partakers of the divine nature. This is the Triune God Himself coming into us, to dwell within us as the real tabernacle of God on the earth. Today the church, the Body of Christ, is the tabernacle of God in the earth.

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Orthodox Biblical Christianity has always taught that when you are saved, you will have everlasting life in heaven with the Lord. If you do not repent, you spend eternity in a lake of fire that is never quenched. To teach that the eternal punishment ends, is to go against orthodox belief on the subject.

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Is this conditional?

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

A further thought on this:

Whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Below is the Strong's Concordance definition of the word "Perish" and one of its meanings is "to devote or give over to eternal misery in hell."

Satan believes in Jesus.

Unless I missed it, it is actually the messengers of the Devil, which are devils that also believe, and tremble

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Is this conditional?

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

A further thought on this:

Whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Below is the Strong's Concordance definition of the word "Perish" and one of its meanings is "to devote or give over to eternal misery in hell."

Satan believes in Jesus.

Unless I missed it, it is actually the messengers of the Devil, which are devils that also believe, and tremble

So the demons or ''devils'' believe in Jesus but satan does not? I think you are fighting a loosing battle trying to get people to believe that.

Thought you may want to know what the scripture actuall said

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I have heard it explained this way - The moment we believe we inherit God's own eternal life (Without beginning or end) everlasting
Eternal life is God's own life living in us and through. We have eternal life today, right now. The word is the same in Hebrew and Gree, for everlasting or eternal.

Eternal life is not a quality of life or even a length of time, which is why it has no beginning or end. It is not linear. Eternal life is a person Eternal life is Jesus, Himself who indwells us in the Person of the Holy Spirit.

That is why we have a know-so salvation. We are saved right now because God's very life is in us right now.

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Understanding that for life to be eternal, it has to have no beginning and no end. If you are a person who holds to the belief that those who are saved were chosen for salvation from the foundations of the Earth, then this would be clearly the case.

If, on the other hand, you are one who believes that salvation begins when you make a choice to be saved, then everlasting life would be a more accurate use of the language. This use of the word indicating that your life has a beginning point as a created being.

But, the one thing that is for certain, it means that we spend the rest of time with JESUS.

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