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Why can Satan never be redeemed?

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it says that God uses evil for the good.

example, Judas was evil and destined to go to hell before he was born. Yet, that evil turned in Christ for the good of man.

Satan is needed for the good of the Church. he's also needed to let man see God's justice take place.

Right, ex, but that fits with the Orth. Jewish POV that I was talking about. Satan's purposes (in this view) are not in conflict with God's purposes; he is carring out the tempter element that is necessary in God's purposes.

to an extent i agree.

Keep in mind that when Satan is gone...there will still be sin.

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The scriptures do not tell us why or that he can't be. Only that he won't be

not that he "won't be" but more like "he wasn't."

Isaiah 14:12-15 (King James Version)

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12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

the bold is a conclusion. It is a conclusion that he was found guilty and is now a fallen angel.

This is past the point of redemption. It's no different when people will go to hell for not accepting Christ. They are

past the point where now they are punished.

If we think that angels didnt commit sins before Satan fall then someone is mistaken.

Angels have commited sins in the past and angels will commit sins in the future.

But thats another conversation.

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it says that God uses evil for the good.

example, Judas was evil and destined to go to hell before he was born. Yet, that evil turned in Christ for the good of man.

Satan is needed for the good of the Church. he's also needed to let man see God's justice take place.

Right, ex, but that fits with the Orth. Jewish POV that I was talking about. Satan's purposes (in this view) are not in conflict with God's purposes; he is carring out the tempter element that is necessary in God's purposes.

to an extent i agree.

Keep in mind that when Satan is gone...there will still be sin.

Once Satan and his minions have been dispatched and death and hell have been cast into the Lake of fire with him, there will never be sin again.

Where do you get the idea that there will still be sin? Mankind will be fully redeemed and sin will not be an issue again.

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it says that God uses evil for the good.

example, Judas was evil and destined to go to hell before he was born. Yet, that evil turned in Christ for the good of man.

Satan is needed for the good of the Church. he's also needed to let man see God's justice take place.

Right, ex, but that fits with the Orth. Jewish POV that I was talking about. Satan's purposes (in this view) are not in conflict with God's purposes; he is carring out the tempter element that is necessary in God's purposes.

to an extent i agree.

Keep in mind that when Satan is gone...there will still be sin.

Once Satan and his minions have been dispatched and death and hell have been cast into the Lake of fire with him, there will never be sin again.

Where do you get the idea that there will still be sin? Mankind will be fully redeemed and sin will not be an issue again.

do you believe that after "Satan and his minions" are gone that there will be any mortality?

in other words...will there be any mortals walking around?

we're not talking about the church or old testament saints. we are talking about regular people

being born and getting old. you believe humankind (in the mortal sense) is gone?

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do you believe that after "Satan and his minions" are gone that there will be any mortality?

in other words...will there be any mortals walking around?

we're not talking about the church or old testament saints. we are talking about regular people

being born and getting old. you believe humankind (in the mortal sense) is gone?

Do you have scripture to back up your claim?

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do you believe that after "Satan and his minions" are gone that there will be any mortality?

in other words...will there be any mortals walking around?

we're not talking about the church or old testament saints. we are talking about regular people

being born and getting old. you believe humankind (in the mortal sense) is gone?

Do you have scripture to back up your claim?

maybe i should say it like this

do you believe that after "Satan and his minions" are gone that there will be any free-will left in anyone?

in other words...will there be any free will?

you believe free will is gone?

do you believe God will do away with free will?

wherever there is free will...there is sin.

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do you believe that after "Satan and his minions" are gone that there will be any mortality?

in other words...will there be any mortals walking around?

we're not talking about the church or old testament saints. we are talking about regular people

being born and getting old. you believe humankind (in the mortal sense) is gone?

Do you have scripture to back up your claim?

maybe i should say it like this

do you believe that after "Satan and his minions" are gone that there will be any free-will left in anyone?

in other words...will there be any free will?

you believe free will is gone?

do you believe God will do away with free will?

wherever there is free will...there is sin.

What caused Eve to take a bite out of that fruit?

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What caused Eve to take a bite out of that fruit?

her free will.

why do you thnk it was Satan?

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What caused Eve to take a bite out of that fruit?

her free will.

why do you thnk it was Satan?

Wasn't it the serpent that talked her into eating the fruit?

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What caused Eve to take a bite out of that fruit?

her free will.

why do you thnk it was Satan?

Wasn't it the serpent that talked her into eating the fruit?

all Satan is doing is acting on her free-will. But Satan is not sin.

So if Satan is to blame for sin then what made Satan turn on God with 1/3 of the angels?

he tempted himself? :emot-pray:

or were angels created also with free-will?

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