Why can Satan never be redeemed?

[Floatingaxe]

it says that God uses evil for the good.

example, Judas was evil and destined to go to hell before he was born. Yet, that evil turned in Christ for the good of man.

Satan is needed for the good of the Church. he's also needed to let man see God's justice take place.

Right, ex, but that fits with the Orth. Jewish POV that I was talking about. Satan's purposes (in this view) are not in conflict with God's purposes; he is carring out the tempter element that is necessary in God's purposes.

to an extent i agree.

Keep in mind that when Satan is gone...there will still be sin.

Once Satan and his minions have been dispatched and death and hell have been cast into the Lake of fire with him, there will never be sin again.

Where do you get the idea that there will still be sin? Mankind will be fully redeemed and sin will not be an issue again.

do you believe that after "Satan and his minions" are gone that there will be any mortality?

in other words...will there be any mortals walking around?

No. All at that point will be immortal, as Satan's actual demise occurs after Judgment.

we're not talking about the church or old testament saints. we are talking about regular people

being born and getting old. you believe humankind (in the mortal sense) is gone?

Humanity will have been completed at that point. We will be at the beginning of our new existence in the Kingdom.

[Guest man]

i had a buddy that was "religious" and he was convinced that his wife cheated on him because Satan made her do it.

i had to pull him to the side and talk scripture with him. *shrugs*

Care to talk scripture with me?

Beginning with the ones I asked for?

the only way i can talk scripture about Satan NOT causing sin is only talking to you about it when man and Satan are not present at the same time.

which means, it's either before man's creation or in the 1000 year reign when Satan is locked up.

You dont want to admit that Satan doesnt need to tempt himself when He turned on God.

I'm not even sure if youre familiar with the 1000 reign.

You stated this.

Keep in mind that when Satan is gone...there will still be sin.

And this.

i think man thinks that if Satan is gone that everyone will always choose the right thing.

Do you have scripture reference for your words, or are you just making it up?

You have my ear, enlighten me.

[LilyPotter]

Genesis 3

1 Now the serpent was more cunning than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said to the woman,

[Guest man]

Genesis 3

1 Now the serpent was more cunning than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said to the woman,

[LilyPotter]

What exactly do you believe about the Word of God?

Do you believe Jesus is who He says He is?

Do you believe He died and on the third day rose?

That it's the Word of God.

Yes.

Yes.

[Guest man]

What exactly do you believe about the Word of God?

Do you believe Jesus is who He says He is?

Do you believe He died and on the third day rose?

That it's the Word of God.

Yes.

Yes.

What about the devil?

Do you believe he exists?

[exrockstar]

Do you have scripture reference for your words, or are you just making it up?

You have my ear, enlighten me.

sorry but its the weekend so i may not answer things immediately.

before i present scripture i have to ask you if you believe in the 1000 year reign.

if you do, you will know that Satan will be locked up.

again i ask, do you believe in the 1000 year reign?

[Guest man]

Do you have scripture reference for your words, or are you just making it up?

You have my ear, enlighten me.

sorry but its the weekend so i may not answer things immediately.

before i present scripture i have to ask you if you believe in the 1000 year reign.

if you do, you will know that Satan will be locked up.

again i ask, do you believe in the 1000 year reign?

Rev. 20

1 Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years;

Is this what you're talking about?

If it's in the bible, I believe it.

I'm still listening.

[exrockstar]

Do you have scripture reference for your words, or are you just making it up?

You have my ear, enlighten me.

sorry but its the weekend so i may not answer things immediately.

before i present scripture i have to ask you if you believe in the 1000 year reign.

if you do, you will know that Satan will be locked up.

again i ask, do you believe in the 1000 year reign?

Rev. 20

1 Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years;

Is this what you're talking about?

If it's in the bible, I believe it.

I'm still listening.

there are so many..where does one start?

for one there will be mortality in the 1000 years so automatically that means free-will. One still has the choice to choose right from wrong. Satan is locked up remember.

Because there is mortality (which includes right and wrong) there has to be a form of heavenly government in place to enforce laws.

you can read Ezekiel Chapter 40 til the end to find out the 1000 year reign. I'll pick one out for you:

Ezekiel 44:23-24 (New International Version)

New International Version (NIV)

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[Guest man]

there are so many..where does one start?

for one there will be mortality in the 1000 years so automatically that means free-will. One still has the choice to choose right from wrong. Satan is locked up remember.

Because there is mortality (which includes right and wrong) there has to be a form of heavenly government in place to enforce laws.

My question had nothing to do with the 1000 years.

You stated that there would still be sin after satan was gone.

I would like to see where it says that in the bible.

Keep in mind that when Satan is gone...there will still be sin.