MorningGlory Posted May 14, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.09 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted May 14, 2009 In my simple view, given the circumstance no decisive proofs one way or the other exist as to the being or non-being of God, they which decide God not exist doso merely from their desire God not exist. Those devoted to knowledge would stand undecided, relative to one not having their own personal witness of God. It's interesting, science derives from personal witness and employs the concensus of testimonies to validate it's assertions of knowledge. As it happens, there be also honest and genuine testimonies of ones own personal witness of the Soul of God or such, and they also may share the likeness of description which concensus is. In fairness, by such concensus each share a valid place as knowledge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStudent Posted May 14, 2009 Group: Nonbeliever Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 13 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/28/2009 Status: Offline Share Posted May 14, 2009 The word belief is more appropriate for they which have not a knowledge of God. I have a multitidue of personal witnesses and experiences of God which allow me to profess a knowledge of God, though in no sense an authoritative nor complete knowledge. They are surely priviledged and Holy, and are the basis for my life now, yet I am more a seeker than a submitter and my devotion to the Truths I can see must always temper my decisions. My current views concerning Jesus are more established from his own direct statements in the Gospels, and not necessarily what protestant faith supposes him to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pokemaughan Posted May 14, 2009 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 74 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 630 Content Per Day: 0.11 Reputation: 12 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/19/2008 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/09/1990 Share Posted May 14, 2009 Yep, it's a belief in the opposite extreme. There is neither empyrical evidence to prove God or prove no God. It's just as much of a religion as Christianity, and oftentimes a lot more obnoxious! These atheists force their 'truth' onto anyone- THERE IS NO GOD, YOU IGNORANT FOOL! REPENT, AND BELIEVE IN NOTHING! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted May 14, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.22 Reputation: 9,763 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted May 14, 2009 The word belief is more appropriate for they which have not a knowledge of God. I have a multitidue of personal witnesses and experiences of God which allow me to profess a knowledge of God, though in no sense an authoritative nor complete knowledge. They are surely priviledged and Holy, and are the basis for my life now, yet I am more a seeker than a submitter and my devotion to the Truths I can see must always temper my decisions. My current views concerning Jesus are more established from his own direct statements in the Gospels, and not necessarily what protestant faith supposes him to be. Than let me be more direct. Have you accepted Jesus as your Lord and Savior? Are you a Christian? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted May 14, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.09 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted May 14, 2009 Yep, it's a belief in the opposite extreme. There is neither empyrical evidence to prove God or prove no God. It's just as much of a religion as Christianity, and oftentimes a lot more obnoxious! These atheists force their 'truth' onto anyone- THERE IS NO GOD, YOU IGNORANT FOOL! REPENT, AND BELIEVE IN NOTHING! Notice that atheists almost always look angry. But...I suppose I'd be angry too if I had nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStudent Posted May 14, 2009 Group: Nonbeliever Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 13 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/28/2009 Status: Offline Share Posted May 14, 2009 Soften up pokemaughan, please. Pitting belief against belief is not the way, but attaining knowledge is. An intolerant and closed-minded allegiance to a scripture humanly written, though sometimes Holy guided, is at the root of the atheists' arguement. Blind assertions do not serve to evidence a healthy person, and christianity is in dire needs of more health! In the circumstance where so much is unknown, it's important to respect belief is akin to opinion and opinions are NOT knowledge. Opinions can be wrong, and it's more reasonable one would hold their opinions with that in mind. The protestant faith is one body of opinion whilst the Roman Catholic faith is another. Both cannot be wholely true, and so the contribution each can make to the whole purpose of our knowledge of God altogether is most served by healthy fact-based discussion and sharing. As it is, there are very very very few which do infact possess the genuine witness and knowledge of the Soul and the Eternal Soul God is. Among those few, there are even less which go in search of greater truths and understanding, but content themselves instead with the claims of their own faith. I am not an enemy to christianity, but I am a devotion to the Truth, and I work everyday to find more answers to those questions which God and right and wrong and such are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStudent Posted May 14, 2009 Group: Nonbeliever Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 13 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/28/2009 Status: Offline Share Posted May 14, 2009 (edited) OneLight: You would most likely not understand my answer, but I'll offer some of it. From a rather large volume of insights and many years of reasoning, it occurs to me Jesus would be God incarnate, given to the crucifiction as by that God's admits to and atones for the sinful character humankind is and which it is responsible for to be. The sin of Adam and Eve is the sin of God, and death is the consequence of sin. Our embrace of the crucifiction is our acceptance of God's apology, and in kind our admission of shame and regret of our sins against one another. In this, God and humankind are reconciled, though that is not fully realized until all humankind are reconciled and compensated, which can only occur when creation is ended. Edited May 14, 2009 by TheStudent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted May 14, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.22 Reputation: 9,763 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted May 14, 2009 Soften up pokemaughan, please. Pitting belief against belief is not the way, but attaining knowledge is. An intolerant and closed-minded allegiance to a scripture humanly written, though sometimes Holy guided, is at the root of the atheists' arguement. Blind assertions do not serve to evidence a healthy person, and christianity is in dire needs of more health! In the circumstance where so much is unknown, it's important to respect belief is akin to opinion and opinions are NOT knowledge. Opinions can be wrong, and it's more reasonable one would hold their opinions with that in mind. The protestant faith is one body of opinion whilst the Roman Catholic faith is another. Both cannot be wholely true, and so the contribution each can make to the whole purpose of our knowledge of God altogether is most served by healthy fact-based discussion and sharing. As it is, there are very very very few which do infact possess the genuine witness and knowledge of the Soul and the Eternal Soul God is. Among those few, there are even less which go in search of greater truths and understanding, but content themselves instead with the claims of their own faith. I am not an enemy to christianity, but I am a devotion to the Truth, and I work everyday to find more answers to those questions which God and right and wrong and such are. I have this thing about reading between the lines. It is called assuming, something I don't like to do. So, please have patience with me. Does your statement "I am not an enemy to christianity" mean that you are not a Christian? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovedya Posted May 14, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 375 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 11,400 Content Per Day: 1.44 Reputation: 125 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/30/2002 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/14/1971 Share Posted May 14, 2009 Student. Do you confess the Lord Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior? Yes or no, please. I have no desire to quibble over semantics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStudent Posted May 14, 2009 Group: Nonbeliever Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 13 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/28/2009 Status: Offline Share Posted May 14, 2009 (edited) What it means is my knowledge and trust in God and Jesus is unique, not decided by the churches, but neither entirely seperate from them. If you only see your own version of belief as the only valid one, then no, I'm not your type of christian. btw: Ovedya You should not decide you can command people....I answer as I choose. Edited May 14, 2009 by TheStudent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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