The Myth of Evolution

[Emanuel]

Evolution and Science have NO jurisdiction whatsoever in Spiritual and invisible matters! They rather operate in the physical and soul-ish dimension!

There are four different natures in the three living dimensions:

Edited May 2, 2009 by Emanuel

[MorningGlory]

I don't know what I'm doing, I'm new here. Somehow I copied somebody's text and the only way I know how to delete it is by editing it into something else and editing it into nothing doesn't count so that's why I'm writing this. So sorry for being off topic!

[MorningGlory]

This is absolutely absurd!!! Evolution and Science have NO jurisdiction whatsoever in Spiritual and invisible matters! They rather operate in the physical and soul-ish dimension!

There are four different natures in the three living dimensions:

[Guest]

Where There Is Life

Preach the word;

be instant in season, out of season;

reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

And they shall turn away their ears from the truth,

and shall be turned unto fables. 2 Timothy 4:2-4

There Is Hope

Therefore being justified by faith,

we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience; And patience, experience; and experience, hope:

And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us. Romans 5:1-5

In The Truth

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life:

no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14:6

And Tears In The Sowing

They that sow in tears shall reap in joy. He that goeth forth and weepeth, bearing precious seed, shall doubtless come again with rejoicing,

bringing his sheaves with him. Psalms 126:5-6

Knowing The Wrath Will Come

He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. John 3:36

[Emanuel]

This is absolutely absurd!!! Evolution and Science have NO jurisdiction whatsoever in Spiritual and invisible matters! They rather operate in the physical and soul-ish dimension!

If this is true, why not the reverse?

There are four different natures in the three living dimensions:

Edited May 2, 2009 by Emanuel

[Emanuel]

Therefore the only question worth answering is that physical or natural of course did exist before the fall but that it all existed in the sinless creation.

(The bible clearly states in the beginning of God's creation, He created the Heavens and the earth before the fall of Mankind occurred)!!

Therefore, the question should be; What are the compositions of the sinless creation?

1, Timelessness 2, Incorruption 3, Eternity

From these above components, it is obvious that a fallen creation such as us all cannot perfectly measure the sinless creation with imperfect measuring standards such as Science and Evolution!

Let us look at your "compositions of the sinless creation".

1. Timelessness - Pre-fall creation was not timeless, it was done in six days according to the bible. The passage of days is the passage of time, which invalidates your claim of timelessness.

2. Incorruption - The serpent that tempted Adam and Eve did so did so by lies. The serpent blasphemes by telling Eve that God was lieing when God said that they would die if they ate of the fruit. The serpent sinned before the fall of Adam and Eve, creation was corrupted before the fall. This invalidates your claim of incorruption.

3. Eternity - There is no evidence that creation was meant to be eternal. Were that the case then eternity would have had to be removed from Adam and Eve. This however was not the case, rather Adam was removed from the garden lest he "reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever." (Gen 3:22). From this we can see that before the fall, Adam (as part of creation) was not eternal before the fall. This invalidates your claim of eternity.

So basically I don't see how any of your compositions are valid. How do you purport to know what these compositions were when you claim we have no ability to understand what pre-fall creation was like? Where are you obtaining these references to dimensions and their order and different natures?

The direct link concerning Mankind before the fall is that something happened to humans due to the fall that ruined our thinking abilities.

The three components regarding eternity is not referring to heaven - which is perfectly good on the one hand and Satan which is perfectly evil on the other - but to humans who became corrupted in our worship towards God.

The point is not to refer to the garden of Eden as perfect but that man was made perfect in his/her worship towards God before the fall.

It is therefore because of this fall that his/her thinking, feeling and choosing abilities have become polluted even when he/she thinks they are wise enough to discern spiritual things which ultimately dictate soulish and physical realities.

Hence I will not quibble about the 6 day creation (But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day 2Peter 3:8). And on whether it were a length of time before the fall that is not similar to that after the fall; as measurements could also have become cloudy after and hence because of the fall: Adam died at the age of 930 years. Why does modern man now die so early at best 120 if any? Why has his life span been reduced so much? Could it be deterioration from his/her connection to attributes before the fall?

Therefore, whatever might be pointed out as flaws of 1, Timelessness 2, Incorruption 3, Eternity before the fall; there will have been a greater perversion to humans thinking, feeling and choosing abilities after the fall.

Let me remind that this whole discussion is about a choice of prophets in this modern age 1, Scientist and Evolutionist on the one hand and 2, The Bible as Spiritual Constitution for Mankind on the other.

MY POINT IS ABOUT MANKIND HIMSELF BECOMING SO DELUDED IN HIS/HER THINKING SIMPLY BECAUSE OF THE FALL!!!

Edited May 2, 2009 by Emanuel

[ConScience]

There are four different natures in the three living dimensions:

[ConScience]

The direct link concerning Mankind before the fall is that something happened to humans due to the fall that ruined our thinking abilities. ... It is therefore because of this fall that his/her thinking, feeling and choosing abilities have become polluted even when he/she thinks they are wise enough to discern spiritual things which ultimately dictate soulish and physical realities.

Logically, biblically, it seems to me that (wo)man's thinking ability was ruined BEFORE the fall. His (her) thinking , feeling and choosing abilities were spoiled BEFORE (s)he ate of the fruit. They were tempted. They CHOSE to eat the fruit, right? So, the question is ... did they know it was wrong to eat the fruit or not. Adam (not Eve, by the way) was told it was wrong. But since they hadn't eaten the fruit, they had NO WAY of knowing that they were doing wrong!

[Guest]

.... So, the question is ... did they know it was wrong ....

The Question Is Still Valid; Are We Grandfather Adam's Sinful Sons?

Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands?

Isaiah 45:9

Or Are We Now Our Heavenly Father's Sons?

And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

Galatians 4:6

Is Jesus Our Beloved LORD?

And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.

Then saith he to Thomas, reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

John 20:26-26

Or Do We Spurn Him?

He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

John 3:36

[Guest]

.... The natures will never mix? Are you sure about that. It sounds like the sort of thing a Christian might say very confidently, but actually be wrong about.

I'm (just) a scientist, but I'm pretty sure I can prove you wrong, using only quotes from the bible! ....

Yes, Some Are (Just) Unbelieving Earthbound Scientists

And further, by these, my son, be admonished: of making many books there is no end; and much study is a weariness of the flesh.

Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

Ecclesiastes 12:12-14

Assuming They Know The Truth Of God's Book

Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.

John 9:41

But These Holy Words Of God

Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?

Ecclesiastes 3:21

Will Stand When

He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

John 12:48

All Kneel

That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Philippians 2:10-11