Steal, Kill, and Destroy

[kat8585]

end the baby's life ....

"Nuff said.

[Mom2Many]

I believe that we are all entitled to our interpretations of the Bible, but I will oppose what people have said against people for abortions in this forum. Consider the following scenario:

A mother is going to have a baby born. However, the baby suffers from various birth defects (it can only breathe through one nostril, it's lungs are relatively weak, it suffers from Down Syndrome, it's a hemophiliac, etc.). The mother is faced with a choice would she want the baby to suffer pain when he or she grows up, or end the baby's life so that it wouldn't have to suffer in the future. I know how some of you are going to answer (opposing what I have just said. "It's the baby's choice, not the mother's" or "The mother's being selfish and not taking the baby into account," and etc.), but I what I am trying to say is that some of these people do have reasons for supporting abortion, and that abortion is undertaken for various reasons. Some of the views stated are extreme.

For example, "The thief comes to kill and destroy..."

I respect the freedom of speech, but the interpretation that abortions glorify Satan is extreme. Do you know what that's implying? I could take any verse from the Bible, relate it to any event that opposes my interpretation of a certain quote in the Bible, and say that it glorifies Satan because it goes against it. The thief is Satan? It could just be an ordinary thief, in another perspective, who came to rob, but is soon to be redeemed. Please understand what I am trying to say, my brothers, and God bless you all.

Well, taking this scenerio, I supposed if my father becomes ill, has cancer, loses his own capacity to make decisions for himself, then maybe we should look into Jack Kavorkians method. It's the same thing. We have no right to end anyone's life because we feel we are protecting them from the pain or discomfort of living a life with a disability or life threatening illness. It is in this statement that I can gladly say that I have full faith in Jesus Christ alone, that if I should have a child with any form of disability, it will be His stregnth I fully rely upon and I would feel completely privelaged that He entrusted such a child to me. That He knew I had enough love in my heart to care for that child instead of ending the childs life.

[Guest man]

Women identifying themselves as Protestants obtain 37.4% of all abortions in the U.S.;

Catholic women account for 31.3%,

www.abortionno.org

One can be a Protestant and not be a Christian. That goes for Catholics as well. i am sure this does not need to be said, but I will.

So you can tell that those women are non-believers just because they had abortions?

Most are not believers. A believer has the indwelling Holy Spirit and He would tell them what an atrocity it is, as they would be sensitive to His voice. Those who claim Christ and yet kill their own children are simply apostate.

You know, it doesn't really matter if they are believers or not.

The secular world sees protestants and catholics getting abortions. They see people who are supposed to be representing Christ, going in and killing their babies.

What kind of message is that sending to the world?

It doesn't matter what you and I say, it's what they see.

[Guest Biblicist]

Women identifying themselves as Protestants obtain 37.4% of all abortions in the U.S.;

Catholic women account for 31.3%,

www.abortionno.org

One can be a Protestant and not be a Christian. That goes for Catholics as well. i am sure this does not need to be said, but I will.

So you can tell that those women are non-believers just because they had abortions?

Most are not believers. A believer has the indwelling Holy Spirit and He would tell them what an atrocity it is, as they would be sensitive to His voice. Those who claim Christ and yet kill their own children are simply apostate.

Either way, they all need Jesus Christ to save them from their sin. People who would kill their young are not behaving as though they are believers. Where would be the fruit there that tells us they are? They are greatly deceived and are ill at heart. They need Jesus.

Sin is sin, FA. You can't say this about abortion, without applying it to every action, or thought, which is disobedient to God.

People who claim Christ yet sin in their anger are simply apostate.

People who claim Christ yet lust after a woman are simply apostate.

People who claim Christ yet [_Add any sin here_] are simply apostate.

What does God's word tell us about the needs of sinners? How are we to respond/react toward them? Abortion is not an unforgivable sin.

[Floatingaxe]

Women identifying themselves as Protestants obtain 37.4% of all abortions in the U.S.;

Catholic women account for 31.3%,

www.abortionno.org

One can be a Protestant and not be a Christian. That goes for Catholics as well. i am sure this does not need to be said, but I will.

So you can tell that those women are non-believers just because they had abortions?

Most are not believers. A believer has the indwelling Holy Spirit and He would tell them what an atrocity it is, as they would be sensitive to His voice. Those who claim Christ and yet kill their own children are simply apostate.

Either way, they all need Jesus Christ to save them from their sin. People who would kill their young are not behaving as though they are believers. Where would be the fruit there that tells us they are? They are greatly deceived and are ill at heart. They need Jesus.

Sin is sin, FA. You can't say this about abortion, without applying it to every action, or thought, which is disobedient to God.

People who claim Christ yet sin in their anger are simply apostate.

People who claim Christ yet lust after a woman are simply apostate.

People who claim Christ yet [_Add any sin here_] are simply apostate.

What does God's word tell us about the needs of sinners? How are we to respond/react toward them? Abortion is not an unforgivable sin.

Not necessarily. A heart that is so inert toward the sanctity of life, toward how God feels about humanity is apostate and in need of salvation.

A born again Christian can commit other sins like lying or venting anger or cursing, but as long as they have remorse AND DO NOT DEFEND IT OR THEIR RIGHT TO COMMIT IT as some do with abortion and homosexuality, you are dealing with a different "animal" altogether.

[Floatingaxe]

Abortion is not an unforgivable sin.

It is unforgiveable when there is no remorse, just like any other sin. The problem is we are dealing now with people who are indoctrinated in the mindset that it is OK. Men and women alike---women who will never experience it and yet preach that abortion is a legitimate choice.

We now are seeing women who feel that way, entering into abortions and coming away from abortuaries with terrible emotional distress and nowhere to go for help. These are those who need to know they can be forgiven most of all.

[Guest Biblicist]

Not necessarily. A heart that is so inert toward the sanctity of life, toward how God feels about humanity is apostate and in need of salvation.

A born again Christian can commit other sins like lying or venting anger or cursing, but as long as they have remorse AND DO NOT DEFEND IT OR THEIR RIGHT TO COMMIT IT as some do with abortion and homosexuality, you are dealing with a different 'animal".

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

I think this attitude is the problem. People act like homosexuality and abortion are such abominations agaist God that they forget the other things that the Lord hates. People commit sins every day, and frequently defend their right to do so. Oh, the examples I could site just from this very board. The examples I could tell you from my very own life. Guess we are all apostate.

Proverbs 6

16 There are six things the LORD hates,

seven that are detestable to him:

17 haughty eyes,

a lying tongue,

hands that shed innocent blood,

18 a heart that devises wicked schemes,

feet that are quick to rush into evil,

19 a false witness who pours out lies

and a man who stirs up dissension among brothers.

1 John 1

8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word has no place in our lives.

btw ~ apostate - 1.a person who forsakes his religion, cause, party, etc.

[Guest Biblicist]

Abortion is not an unforgivable sin.

It is unforgiveable when there is no remorse, just like any other sin. The problem is we are dealing now with people who are indoctrinated in the mindset that it is OK. Men and women alike---women who will never experience it and yet preach that abortion is a legitimate choice.

We now are seeing women who feel that way, entering into abortions and coming away from abortuaries with terrible emotional distress and nowhere to go for help. These are those who need to know they can be forgiven most of all.

Romans 10 [gotta love Romans!]

13 for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."

14 How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in?

And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard?

And how can they hear without someone preaching to them?

15 And how can they preach unless they are sent? As it is written, "How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!"

How can they know unless they are told?

What is the message that anti-abortionists are conveying? Salvation and forgiveness? What is the message that Christians are supposed to convey?

Are we really Pro-Life? Or are we just anti-abortion?

John 10:28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand.

[Floatingaxe]

Not necessarily. A heart that is so inert toward the sanctity of life, toward how God feels about humanity is apostate and in need of salvation.

A born again Christian can commit other sins like lying or venting anger or cursing, but as long as they have remorse AND DO NOT DEFEND IT OR THEIR RIGHT TO COMMIT IT as some do with abortion and homosexuality, you are dealing with a different 'animal".

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

I think this attitude is the problem. People act like homosexuality and abortion are such abominations agaist God that they forget the other things that the Lord hates. People commit sins every day, and frequently defend their right to do so. Oh, the examples I could site just from this very board. The examples I could tell you from my very own life. Guess we are all apostate.

Proverbs 6

16 There are six things the LORD hates,

seven that are detestable to him:

17 haughty eyes,

a lying tongue,

hands that shed innocent blood,

18 a heart that devises wicked schemes,

feet that are quick to rush into evil,

19 a false witness who pours out lies

and a man who stirs up dissension among brothers.

1 John 1

8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word has no place in our lives.

btw ~ apostate - 1.a person who forsakes his religion, cause, party, etc.

A born again Christian knows when he sins because of the Holy Spirit. A person who claims Christ, yet defends and approves of any sin, especially those like homosexuality and abortion, do not know Christ.

You cannot approve sin and be saved.

[Floatingaxe]

Romans 1:37

They know God’s justice requires that those who do these things deserve to die, yet they do them anyway. Worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too.