Genesis 6:1-4

[LIVN4JC]

Blessings to all my brothers and sisters. I have decided to take the step of actually reading the bible from front to back and really study it this year. I have broke it down to 4 chapters a day. So far so good. I am using a commentary online by Matthew Henry. I am using Gateway to help me read and study. So far I have been able to understand what I have been studying. Then today I came across this scripture (see below please) and I have no idea what the meaning is in it. Also what Nephilim truly are. (are they giants truly or not) And who are the sons of God? And the mighty men, who are they? Please help. I really am trying to learn and grow. I have looked in other commentaries and none could explain or help. Hoping for some enlightenment. Thank you for your patience and time.

May the Lord ever be with you all.

In His Loving Hands,

Sister in Christ

Anne (MeMa)

Genesis 6:1-4 (English Standard Version)

Genesis 6

Increasing Corruption on Earth

1When man began to multiply on the face of the land and daughters were born to them,

2the sons of God saw that the daughters of man were attractive. And they took as their wives any they chose.

3Then the LORD said,(A) "My Spirit shall not abide in[a] man forever,(B) for he is flesh: his days shall be 120 years."

4The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of man and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men who were of old, the men of renown.

[LIVN4JC]

The sons of God were the descendants of Seth, The Nephilim could have been large in stature but a more appropriate interpretation are tyrants, the were simple evil men (bullies). The men of renown were men of authority and good character.

Some will say that the sons of God are falling angels, and they mated with women and the Nephilim are the mix breed demonic humans, THIS IS UNTRUE. Do not by what they are pushing.

can you please tell me where it says they are the descendants of Seth? It is confusing when it says they came unto the daughters of man.

[LIVN4JC]

The sons of God were the descendants of Seth, The Nephilim could have been large in stature but a more appropriate interpretation are tyrants, the were simple evil men (bullies). The men of renown were men of authority and good character.

Some will say that the sons of God are falling angels, and they mated with women and the Nephilim are the mix breed demonic humans, THIS IS UNTRUE. Do not by what they are pushing.

can you please tell me where it says they are the descendants of Seth? It is confusing when it says they came unto the daughters of man.

If you read Genesis Chapter 5 it give the descendants of Adam through Seth not Cain or Able because Able was killed and Cain was banished. So technecally the sons of God and the Daughters of men are both descendant from Adam but the Sons of God linage runs from Adam through Seth, while the daughters of men came through Cain and or other children of Adam.

Read Luke 3:23-38 it may be of assistance, it starts by going through Jesus' linage backwards starting with Jesus and ending with God verse 38 which says: ''Which is the son of Enos, which is the son of Seth, which is the son of Adam which is the son of God''. The sons of God come from Adam through the linage of Seth.

Thank you for the help. I will go to Luke also. The way you explain it makes it more clear. Wish the commentaries did that for me... Blessings.

[LIVN4JC]

The sons of God were the descendants of Seth, The Nephilim could have been large in stature but a more appropriate interpretation are tyrants, the were simple evil men (bullies). The men of renown were men of authority and good character.

Some will say that the sons of God are falling angels, and they mated with women and the Nephilim are the mix breed demonic humans, THIS IS UNTRUE. Do not by what they are pushing.

can you please tell me where it says they are the descendants of Seth? It is confusing when it says they came unto the daughters of man.

If you read Genesis Chapter 5 it give the descendants of Adam through Seth not Cain or Able because Able was killed and Cain was banished. So technecally the sons of God and the Daughters of men are both descendant from Adam but the Sons of God linage runs from Adam through Seth, while the daughters of men came through Cain and or other children of Adam.

Read Luke 3:23-38 it may be of assistance, it starts by going through Jesus' linage backwards starting with Jesus and ending with God verse 38 which says: ''Which is the son of Enos, which is the son of Seth, which is the son of Adam which is the son of God''. The sons of God come from Adam through the linage of Seth.

Thank you for the help. I will go to Luke also. The way you explain it makes it more clear. Wish the commentaries did that for me... Blessings.

You are welcome, may God bless your studies.

I pray He is with me through it. Some of it is hard to discern. But I know I can come here for help. Blessings.

[LIVN4JC]

Blessings to all my brothers and sisters. I have decided to take the step of actually reading the bible from front to back and really study it this year. I have broke it down to 4 chapters a day. So far so good. I am using a commentary online by Matthew Henry. I am using Gateway to help me read and study. So far I have been able to understand what I have been studying. Then today I came across this scripture (see below please) and I have no idea what the meaning is in it. Also what Nephilim truly are. (are they giants truly or not) And who are the sons of God? And the mighty men, who are they? Please help. I really am trying to learn and grow. I have looked in other commentaries and none could explain or help. Hoping for some enlightenment. Thank you for your patience and time.

May the Lord ever be with you all.

In His Loving Hands,

Sister in Christ

Anne (MeMa)

Genesis 6:1-4 (English Standard Version)

Genesis 6

Increasing Corruption on Earth

1When man began to multiply on the face of the land and daughters were born to them,

2the sons of God saw that the daughters of man were attractive. And they took as their wives any they chose.

3Then the LORD said,(A) "My Spirit shall not abide in[a] man forever,(B) for he is flesh: his days shall be 120 years."

4The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of man and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men who were of old, the men of renown.

Hi LIVN

Not sure if this will help, but I asked a similar question sometime ago.

Here's the link:

LINK

Blessings

Esther

Blessings and thank you for the link. I went and read all of them... and still am uncertain.... I will pray about it and do some digging. I had no idea how many interesting thoughts could come from this thread. I am glad you posted it before. Blessings again sister.

In His Loving Hands,

Sister in Christ

Anne

[exrockstar]

sons of God = fallen angels.

many will say that the sons of god are decendants but in Job it says : "Job 1:6

Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them."

Nowhere in Genesis (before Abraham) is it said that man (humans) were "son of God."

[Guest shiloh357]

Blessings to all my brothers and sisters. I have decided to take the step of actually reading the bible from front to back and really study it this year. I have broke it down to 4 chapters a day. So far so good. I am using a commentary online by Matthew Henry. I am using Gateway to help me read and study. So far I have been able to understand what I have been studying. Then today I came across this scripture (see below please) and I have no idea what the meaning is in it. Also what Nephilim truly are. (are they giants truly or not) And who are the sons of God? And the mighty men, who are they? Please help. I really am trying to learn and grow. I have looked in other commentaries and none could explain or help. Hoping for some enlightenment. Thank you for your patience and time.

May the Lord ever be with you all.

In His Loving Hands,

Sister in Christ

Anne (MeMa)

Genesis 6:1-4 (English Standard Version)

Genesis 6

Increasing Corruption on Earth

1When man began to multiply on the face of the land and daughters were born to them,

2the sons of God saw that the daughters of man were attractive. And they took as their wives any they chose.

3Then the LORD said,(A) "My Spirit shall not abide in[a] man forever,(B) for he is flesh: his days shall be 120 years."

4The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of man and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men who were of old, the men of renown.

The idea that the Nephillim were angel/human hybrids is a common error.

Given the fact that ancient pagan kings usually based their right to rule on making their subjects believe they were descendent from the chief god of their religion, it is more likely that the "sons of God" refer to these kings. The "giants" simply refer to men of great reputation or strength, but not stature.

Angels are neuter. Unlike humans, angels are each individually created beings and do not procreate. There is no biblical record of angels having sexual desire and in fact, the biblical record would seem to give evidence that angels are not in any way, sexual beings.

It more likely that the OT writers used terms common to their vernacular that are not common to ours. It is likely that the terms like "son of God" and "giants" et al., were not meant to be as sensationalist as they are made out to be today.

[mizzdy]

If they are not really part of divine sons of God then how do you explain the verses that say 'angels that kept not their first estate' and if 'God spared not the angels? Are they just the verses then explaining satans downfall? If that is the case then tell me how they changed after rebelling, then didn't somehow change what they were, their substance just their status with God. In Psalms 82 it shows God talking to whom, Himself? And if those God is talking to are in His divine council, does that mean that God took men up to His presence which if I am not mistaken God cannot abide the presence of sin and no man on this earth is without sin. If satan the most glorified divine son of God can sin, change his statis, create the problems he does then how cannot these sons of God in Gen. and elsewhere in the bible cannot do as it says. There is no real evidence these are the sons of seth, Augustine promoted that version if I am not mistaken. The book of Jasher and Enoch, though both extra biblical, state they were angels of God. The JPS translation calls them 'the divine beings' when have men been called that by God? The tale of when Noah was born and they saw him open his eyes and they shown like one of the divine beings and they were afraid he was an offspring is another example the ancient hebrews knew about this. In the book of Jubilees also talks of the watchers going against the law of their ordinances. Also in the LXX labels them in two ways, the later mss translates Due. 32:7 as "angels of God" as aggelon theou but in several earlier mss has it as huion theou, or 'sons of God' but nowhere does it say they were the sons of Seth. Now I am not any scholar as some here but after studying on this for some time this is what I have found, and the sons of seth theory I have never been able to prove in the bible.

[Guest shiloh357]

If they are not really part of divine sons of God then how do you explain the verses that say 'angels that kept not their first estate' and if 'God spared not the angels? Are they just the verses then explaining satans downfall?

First of all, angels are not divine. They are supernatural, but the are not divine. "Divine" is a term that belongs to God only.

In Psalms 82 it shows God talking to whom, Himself?

Just because the term "sons of God" is used to refer to angels in Ps. 82, does NOT mean that the term must also refer to angels in Gen. 6. That is not how it works.

Citing extra-biblical sources doesn't change the fact that angels, in the Bible are neither divine, nor do they pro-create.

[Botz]

These are not easy Scriptures, and have been the subject of debate, conjecture and subsequent opposing views by numerous scholars, theologians, pastors and disciples.

I am with Shiloh on this, and have never thought it possible that there was some sort of chimera created by the fusion of a spiritual being with a fleshly being...in spite of the Scriptures used to support such a view...and people like Chuck Missler who are very convincing in their presentation.

The reasons I don't believe it are firstly...it doesn't witness in my spirit (subjective I know...but that is my spirit-gut-reaction)

Secondly we all understand that there can be no cross-fertilisation from one species to another...everything can only pro-create within the confines of its own kind...therfore you can cross a lion with a tiger and produce ligers and tigons, but you cannot cross a cat with a dog in the hope of producing a cog or a dat.

A spiritual being such as an angel...whether it is a fallen angel or not...is not only a different species, but of an entirely different substance (at least as far as I can work out)....Paul writing to the Corinthians touches on this...

1Corin 15:39 All flesh is not the same flesh, but there is one flesh of men, and another flesh of beasts, and another flesh of birds, and another of fish. 40 There are also heavenly bodies and earthly bodies, but the glory of the heavenly is one, and the glory of the earthly is another. 41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for star differs from star in glory.

My understanding is not that Satan tried to prevent Messiah arriving through inseminating mankind with demon seed....but rather that he sought to corrupt the heart of man on a grand scale...man had fallen through Adam and eventually became desperately wicked...but even though G-d destroyed billions of people (it is estimated that at the time of the flood there were quite possibly several billion people living on the earth), He preserved a remnant through which to establish His name.

In the first batch, the rot really set in with Cain....in the second batch, Ham was singled out....and yet through it all we can trace an unbroken line that G-d preserved that led to our salvation through His Son our Messiah.