A brief history of the conflict

[O'Dannyboy]

http://www.mideastweb.org/briefhistory.htm

This is very informative and as far as I can tell also very objective. This conflict, from what I can tell, is seeded in a mutual hatred that predates Palestine itself. While most references are of "Arabs" it is most likely that Muslims were at the center just as they are today.

Ultimately this conflict began when Isaac was given what Ishmael believed was his. This bitter hatred has only festered for these many millennia. So jealous are they of Gods chosen that they even plagiarized Gods word and shaped it to their own liking.

[Guest shiloh357]

http://www.mideastweb.org/briefhistory.htm

This is very informative and as far as I can tell also very objective. This conflict, from what I can tell, is seeded in a mutual hatred that predates Palestine itself. While most references are of "Arabs" it is most likely that Muslims were at the center just as they are today.

Ultimately this conflict began when Isaac was given what Ishmael believed was his. This bitter hatred has only festered for these many millennia. So jealous are they of Gods chosen that they even plagiarized Gods word and shaped it to their own liking.

This conflict has nothing to do with the Ishmael/Isaac feud.

[MorningGlory]

http://www.mideastweb.org/briefhistory.htm

This is very informative and as far as I can tell also very objective. This conflict, from what I can tell, is seeded in a mutual hatred that predates Palestine itself. While most references are of "Arabs" it is most likely that Muslims were at the center just as they are today.

Ultimately this conflict began when Isaac was given what Ishmael believed was his. This bitter hatred has only festered for these many millennia. So jealous are they of Gods chosen that they even plagiarized Gods word and shaped it to their own liking.

This conflict has nothing to do with the Ishmael/Isaac feud.

I disagree, Shiloh. IMO, every conflict between Jews and muslims can be traced to the ancient grievance of Ishmael. Satan has used this hatred to further his plans to eliminate God's chosen people for what? Four thousand years?

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Not all Muslims are descendants of Ishmael.

Neither are all who call themselves Arabs.

[Guest shiloh357]

http://www.mideastweb.org/briefhistory.htm

This is very informative and as far as I can tell also very objective. This conflict, from what I can tell, is seeded in a mutual hatred that predates Palestine itself. While most references are of "Arabs" it is most likely that Muslims were at the center just as they are today.

Ultimately this conflict began when Isaac was given what Ishmael believed was his. This bitter hatred has only festered for these many millennia. So jealous are they of Gods chosen that they even plagiarized Gods word and shaped it to their own liking.

This conflict has nothing to do with the Ishmael/Isaac feud.

I disagree, Shiloh. IMO, every conflict between Jews and muslims can be traced to the ancient grievance of Ishmael. Satan has used this hatred to further his plans to eliminate God's chosen people for what? Four thousand years?

Sorry, but that is just not true. First of all, Islam did not exist four thousand years ago. Secondly, Arabs are not descended from Ishmael. According Gen. 10, Arabs are not Semites; they are descended from Ham, not Shem and were already in exisance when Ishmael was born. Although they were not called "Arabs" at the time, as a people Arabs have been around since before the birth of Ishmael.

Islam's problem with Israel has nothing to do with Ishmael. It has everything to do with the fact that Islam is a despotic, bloodthirsty, totalitarian and intolerant ideology which is at war with the world, not merely Israel. Israel is only one facet of a global war that Islam is waging against everything and everyone who is not part of Islam.

Israel is particularly a problem because Israel exists in the heart of the Islamic world and continues to prosper inspite of numerous attempts by the Islamic world to destroy Israel. Israel has not only existed but has prospered and gone on to be sport the 4th most powerful military in the world behind the US, Russia and China as well as to become a major contributor to the world in ares of science, medicine, technology, art, music and literature. Islam's hatred of Israel is especially poignant as Israel stands as a living reproach to Islam's inability to adapt to the 21st Century.

The Ishmaelites have come and gone. That old rivalry died out a long time ago. Israel is at war with an ideology that believes nothing should exist in the world that is not Islamic.

[MorningGlory]

Sorry, but that is just not true. First of all, Islam did not exist four thousand years ago. Secondly, Arabs are not descended from Ishmael. According Gen. 10, Arabs are not Semites; they are descended from Ham, not Shem and were already in exisance when Ishmael was born. Although they were not called "Arabs" at the time, as a people Arabs have been around since before the birth of Ishmael.

Islam's problem with Israel has nothing to do with Ishmael. It has everything to do with the fact that Islam is a despotic, bloodthirsty, totalitarian and intolerant ideology which is at war with the world, not merely Israel. Israel is only one facet of a global war that Islam is waging against everything and everyone who is not part of Islam.

Israel is particularly a problem because Israel exists in the heart of the Islamic world and continues to prosper inspite of numerous attempts by the Islamic world to destroy Israel. Israel has not only existed but has prospered and gone on to be sport the 4th most powerful military in the world behind the US, Russia and China as well as to become a major contributor to the world in ares of science, medicine, technology, art, music and literature. Islam's hatred of Israel is especially poignant as Israel stands as a living reproach to Islam's inability to adapt to the 21st Century.

The Ishmaelites have come and gone. That old rivalry died out a long time ago. Israel is at war with an ideology that believes nothing should exist in the world that is not Islamic.

I'm aware that islam has only existed for about 1400 years. But the fighting between these two peoples has been going on for much longer. I believe islam to be satan's very own 'religion' and that he has been trying to destroy the Jews since there have been Jews because they are favored by God. I've always thought the arabs were descended from Ishmael though. I will go back and read up on that.

[MorningGlory]

Not all Muslims are descendants of Ishmael.

Neither are all who call themselves Arabs.

True, muslims come in all colors and nationalities. Unfortunately.

[Guest]

The Ishmaelites have come and gone. That old rivalry died out a long time ago. Israel is at war with an ideology that believes nothing should exist in the world that is not Islamic.

Amen Dear Brother, Amen!

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The worm And GOD

GOD

Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above,

and cometh down from the Father of lights,

with whom is no variableness,

neither shadow of turning. James 1:17

The worm

Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.

He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth,

because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie,

he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar,

and the father of it. John 8:44

And The Heathen Rage

Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?

The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD,

and against his anointed, saying, Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us. Psalms 2:1-3

Against The Apple Of HIS Eye

For thus saith the LORD of hosts; After the glory hath he sent me unto the nations which spoiled you: for he that toucheth you toucheth the apple of his eye.

For, behold, I will shake mine hand upon them, and they shall be a spoil to their servants: and ye shall know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me.

Sing and rejoice, O daughter of Zion: for, lo, I come, and I will dwell in the midst of thee, saith the LORD. Zechariah 2:8-10

But GOD Sits And Laughs

He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision. Psalms 2-4

Knowing Their End

Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure. Psalms 1:5

When His SON

Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.

I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. Psalms 1:6-8

Rules In Zion

Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel. Psalms 1:6-9

Blessing All

Be wise now therefore, O ye kings:

be instructed, ye judges of the earth.

Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.

Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Psalms 1:10-12(a)

Who Trust

Blessed are all they that put their trust in him. Psalms 1:12(b)

In HIS Holy Name

Maranatha!

[Tehilah Ba'Aretz]

The position paper linked in the OP does not deal with the history from the viewpoint of, "The hand of God." Instead the author attempts to summarize the recent history with a selection of facts and opinions. Not all of the facts are accurate nor are all of the opinions shared by everyone. That is the very nature of a historical discussion, after all. The author accepts the population numbers put forward by the British without question. The author also ignores significant events and legalities that are not convenient. The Sikes-Picot agreement is not mentioned for example. By the same token, the legalities of the Jewish settlement are not explored.

I would rate this brief history as giving a minimal understanding and failing to set an accurate context for future study.

[O'Dannyboy]

http://www.mideastweb.org/briefhistory.htm

This is very informative and as far as I can tell also very objective. This conflict, from what I can tell, is seeded in a mutual hatred that predates Palestine itself. While most references are of "Arabs" it is most likely that Muslims were at the center just as they are today.

Ultimately this conflict began when Isaac was given what Ishmael believed was his. This bitter hatred has only festered for these many millennia. So jealous are they of Gods chosen that they even plagiarized Gods word and shaped it to their own liking.

This conflict has nothing to do with the Ishmael/Isaac feud.

I disagree, Shiloh. IMO, every conflict between Jews and muslims can be traced to the ancient grievance of Ishmael. Satan has used this hatred to further his plans to eliminate God's chosen people for what? Four thousand years?

Sorry, but that is just not true. First of all, Islam did not exist four thousand years ago. Secondly, Arabs are not descended from Ishmael. According Gen. 10, Arabs are not Semites; they are descended from Ham, not Shem and were already in exisance when Ishmael was born. Although they were not called "Arabs" at the time, as a people Arabs have been around since before the birth of Ishmael.

Islam's problem with Israel has nothing to do with Ishmael. It has everything to do with the fact that Islam is a despotic, bloodthirsty, totalitarian and intolerant ideology which is at war with the world, not merely Israel. Israel is only one facet of a global war that Islam is waging against everything and everyone who is not part of Islam.

Israel is particularly a problem because Israel exists in the heart of the Islamic world and continues to prosper inspite of numerous attempts by the Islamic world to destroy Israel. Israel has not only existed but has prospered and gone on to be sport the 4th most powerful military in the world behind the US, Russia and China as well as to become a major contributor to the world in ares of science, medicine, technology, art, music and literature. Islam's hatred of Israel is especially poignant as Israel stands as a living reproach to Islam's inability to adapt to the 21st Century.

The Ishmaelites have come and gone. That old rivalry died out a long time ago. Israel is at war with an ideology that believes nothing should exist in the world that is not Islamic.

Perhaps you are right about lineage not being an issue. You must admit that Muslims display a particular hatred for Jews that goes well beyond the existence of the state of Israel. The link I posted indicates that Jews met with hostility and antagonism even as they began to immigrate to Palestine before the Zionist movement even officially began. Where do you suppose this singular hatred is rooted?