Micheal Westin

the foundation is Christ death and resurrection, build on that...........I don't believe Judaism, Islam or some others use that foundation

Personally I don't think any of the apostles would have equated their letters other than the four gospels, as to be held as Scripture or as we call it Cannon, the apostle Luke even defines his writing as a narrative and orderly account, I'm not saying it wasn't completely inspired by God, (It most definitely was!) I'm only saying in the context of the letters the author is not addressing the hearers "Thus saith the Lord" they are inspired by the Holy Spirit who lives in them to write them, but I think the authors themselves would be surprised at how high their letters are perceived in churches today. I'm sure if you were a Cretan you would see this too.....lol

having been denied by the Laodicea's is not a very good character reference, they didn't seem to get a good report card from Jesus

my opinion is most Christians today wouldn't be able to handle any of the old testament prophets if God sent them back today, they would more than likely not be accepted, those guys could see into the spiritual world, infiltrate enemy camps with their ears, see visions of UFO's, float axes to the surface using a stick, cause the rain to stop and cause plagues, call fire down from heaven, cause bears to maul disrespectful teenagers, bring dead people back to life, they dealt with the supernatural on a daily basis, producing huge amounts of oil from a little, running faster than any human has run. Lets just face it Enoch and the rest of the Prophets of God are just to spooky, they know way to much about satan and demons and what they have done and are going to do. actually I'm surprised that they were not edited out of the text completely. you have to remember Enoch was along time ago, in a time when even Job confirms the no longer existent animals such as dinosaurs and dragons, and unicorns, I believe the fallen angels were allowed a longer leash back then, and they did some pretty weird stuff It really supports the notion that God grieved that he had ever made man, since they were so easily led away from God and the truth, and that the fallen angels had corrupted humanity so completely that only Noah and his sons were left. like the Jews and Christians today the first thing to do is discredit them, and if this doesn't work kill them, then discredit anyone who believed what they said

I believe the Jewish festivals were given by God for the Israelites to follow under the old covenant, I would imagine the disciples being Jews kept them in the new covenant having a better understanding that they were all shadows of things to come, as which we see them teaching this way and saying those very words, If you find yourself compelled to keep them, then by all means you probably should as it may be a sin for you not to. then we have the outer court which is reserved for the gentiles, the new testament clearly shows the dilemma the apostles faced, do the new gentile believers need to follow Jewish customs and traditions. we see the answer is no! with the only stipulations of not to eat blood and abstain from things polluted by idols, and from sexual immorality (Acts 15)

we see even the disciples who were personally given authority by Jesus Himself, personally instructed, I would imagine the disciples had the greatest amount of faith possible having been there with Christ, first hand, yet we see from the bible the disciples could not cast out a specific demon from a demonized boy, and Jesus said this one comes out only with prayer and fasting when Jesus says a specific thing is needed, I believe Him! which would also say what they normally did to cast out demons obviously did not work, which we can see proof as it is written in the word, they could not cast it out

whether its total possession like the man who ran naked among the tombs, who was literally filled with demons or the man in the synagogue who had an unclean spirit, I would say the man in the tombs probably started with one demon, or unclean spirit and when he continually gave up more ground he could of opened the door for a whole legion of devils to come in. I think the bible gives reference to sweeping the house of demons and seven worse demons coming back if they find the house empty whether a Christian can be demonized or have an evil spirit enter them?.......I always believed the bible when it named Judas as a follower and disciple of Christ, I believe the bible when it claims the disciples were sent out two by two casting out demons and healing the sick, I think it would of been pretty apparent if Judas was like one of the sons of sceva who was trying to cast out demons without the authority of Christ. here again is where the OSAS have not included someone can turn against Christ in their heart and betray Him............I know I know they never really ever believed, but I don't understand how you can be called a disciple of Christ (by God's word) and yet not be a believer

sounds right on the mark

reminds me of "who's on first, whats on second, I don't knows on third, I'll need an abacus to keep up

what she said!

that's exactly why I don't have one, Its my biggest weakness in life, I don't flip people off or that sort of thing, but my impatience and the horrible way people drive, has me almost continually shaking my head, saying come on people learn to drive!......hang up the phone and pay attention!.......just drive it lady!......and my greatest all time pet peeve is people who drive slow in the passing lane! ...as if the world revolved around them If I wasn't a Christian my dream vehicle would be an army tank that can go 80mph

You stated "So I kept studying this mystery until I accidently designed my own rapture theory crazy as it might sound" yeah it sounds crazy!

Your post is wrong on so many fronts I have to wonder what is going on inside you that would cause you to be so criticall all the time. IF you would like to talk, PM me. To address your concerns, nobody who is not in ministry is informed of any discussion or actions taken on another member. That would be very disrespectful and breaking confidentiality. To claim bad behavior is tolerated is assuming you know what we do behind the scenes, and since you don't know, your assumptions are very misleading and incorrect. Nobody is ever given "bullet proof protection". I can assure you that some in ministry have been removed for ministry when corrective actions takes were rejected by them. We hold those in ministry to a higher degree of accountability. We also try to be as "long suffering" or "patient" with regular members as Jesus was toward us all. I can also say that very few people have ever donated to this site. I have noticed you have a critical view of this site and how it operates, so again, I encourage you to PM me if you have specific questions. Just taking pot shots at this site will never resolve anything. I'm sorry I removed the post, it was done in haste without thinking of how it sounded, I have the highest regard for this site and those who moderate, I just was tired of continual harassment by a certain poster and seeing his long long history on this site, I couldn't figure out how he could of lasted so long without some unseen measure of action

Happy Birthday! as I once heard, your as young as you feel, and you have very young blood, you just keep it in an older container.......have a blessed new year!

good post!.....I find the pretrib rapture leading people to the antichrist, as they are endlessly told Christ comes first, which isn't the case

If the evil are taken away, what becomes of the ones that are left in your scenario? they enter the 1000 year reign So you believe they are the sheep that get separated from the goats? Then who are the saints that will rule and reign over them with Christ? Or, if you believe these ARE the saints, then who are the ones that they will rule over, the ones who will re-populate the earth? Also, who were the least of Christ' brothers that the sheep ministered to? It does not appear that you believe in a rapture. And what about the martyr's that are killed for refusing the mark of the beast, where do they come into play in your scenario? your right about that, there won't be any pre-trib rapture. That is totally a man made doctrine I agree with you about the pre-trib timing, but it does not appear that you believe in any rapture whatsoever, since your interpretation is that the evil ones are taken away instead. But what is your understanding of the ones who are left? The rapture and the second coming are the same event. The Lord is coming back to set up His Kingdom on this Earth, the ones left will join the Lord in his Kingdom So how do you understand our gathering in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air? It happens just like the Bible says, we meet the Lord in the air. We then make our way to Bozrah and then to the Mt of Olives But you said the evil ones were taken, ie, two will be in the field, one is taken, the other is left...Two women grinding at the mill, one is taken, the other is left???? Then Christ repeatedly says no one knows the day and the hour and to be ready, but you say these are the evil ones?? The ones taken are the evil ones, they are gathered and burned. The righteous go with the Lord. I am ready, I got ready 50 years ago, and I still won't know the day or hour until that day is upon us. I think you're really getting ahead of yourself in this prophecy. There's nothing in here to indicate that the evil ones are either taken or burned. You create a problem when you start adding the wheat and tares into this mix. The wheat and tares would fit much better with the sheep and goats at the end of Matt. 25, which is the end of the age. That is also the second coming, and when He will judge the nations, but it is vitally important to know that judgment first begins with the house of the Lord (1 Pet. 4:17). In Matt. 24 we see Christ gathering His elect, telling His followers that they must be ready, followed by several parables that have nothing whatsoever to do with the physical second coming to the earth, but everything to do with the rapture. This is all about the judgment of His servants first; and then He will judge the survivors of the nations afterward, which will determine who will enter the millennial kingdom. (See my comments in post #84) The pre-tribbers are the ones getting ahead of themselves. The rapture and second coming are the same event, not 2 events separated by 7 years. I agree, but not to worry, their theory will be the first one to fall. The rapture and second coming are definitely not the same event, but what makes you so sure they are??? Shalom, guys. Thought I'd throw my 2 cents worth into the mix. Please understand that the parables of Matthew 13 are NOT about this time period - the period in which we are currently living. They are about the future, first one thousand years of the Messiah's reign while haSatan (the Enemy) is in chains (also yet in the future). The parables of the tares and the wheat, and of the dragnet are about THAT time period and the culmination of that ONE THOUSAND YEAR LONG PERIOD is when the wheat and the tares - or the good fish from the bad - are separated. The parable of the sheep and the goats - which is an analogy to the NATIONS (not individuals) - occurs when the King begins sitting on His throne. This, of course, occurs at the BEGINNING of His reign, at the BEGINNING of the one thousand years. Many Christians have been taught that one should gloss over this one-thousand-year period to the point that they FORGET (or never knew) that when the Messiah returns, the End is not right away! So, by way of diagram, we find in Scripture that it will be ... Rapture/2nd Coming -RESCUE - sheep/goats - O N E T H O U S A N D Y E A R S - wheat/tares & bad-fish/good-fish (GWTJ) - FIRE- New Earth/Sky/Jerusalem - ETERNITY. P.S., I should have mentioned that we are told in each of these parables when they occur: The sheep/goats happens "when the Son of man shall come in his glory, and ... then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory." The wheat/tares occurs when his messengers-angels "gather OUT OF HIS KINGDOM all things that offend," which is also said to occur "in the end of this world (Greek: aioonos or age)." The drag-net parable is also said to occur "at the end of the world (Greek: aioonos or age)." And, I think the controlling passage of Scripture that defines/links these periods and also harmonizes with Revelation 19-21 is 1 Corinthians 15:20-28. There, Paul says that AFTER the Son of man has reigned until every enemy is under his feet, "then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him," and he "shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father" at "the end." Now, RollinTHUNDER, the "rapture" and the "second coming" are not PRECISELY the same event, but neither are they PRECISELY different events! The timing of the second coming is found in the Olivet Discourse (Matt. 24/25, Mark 13, Luke 21), but the "rapture" is said to be associated with the passage in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17. One should notice, however, that NOWHERE in 1 Thess. 4:13-17 does Paul tell us WHERE we will be going after we "meet the Lord in the air!" It only says, "and so shall we ever be with the Lord." Therefore, we can only conclude that, wherever the Lord goes, we will go. The typical assumption for the pretribbers (and pre-wrath and even some posttribbers) is that He will go back to "Heaven." However, that is NOT said in this passage. That's only an assumption. Now, some will, at this point, throw in John 14:1-3, where Yeshua` concluded, "And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also." But here again, there's an assumption that where the Lord will be, where His disciples will be, is in the place where He went to "prepare a place" for His disciples! Notice that NOWHERE in John 14:1-3 does it say that He will take His disciples back where He was "preparing" them a place! It SEEMS implied, but THAT is the assumption! To the contrary, Revelation (also written by the same John) says that the New Jerusalem (which was "prepared" - same word - as a bride for her husband) comes DOWN FROM God OUT OF heaven and is the tabernacle (Greek: skeenee meaning a Bedouin tent) of God "WITH MEN, and they shall be his people, and God Himself shall be WITH THEM, and be their God." Therefore, instead of thinking of us "going to heaven," we should be thinking of the "New Jerusalem coming HERE!" Of course, based on the diagram above, this doesn't occur until AFTER the first 1000 years of the Messiah's reign. SO, the next question is "where will Yeshua` (Jesus) go AFTER He has come again and received His disciples unto Himself?" Again, from John 14:1-3, we can only conclude that wherever Yeshua` is, there His disciples will be, too. The next thing to ask is, I believe, the key: "For what PURPOSE(S) is our Lord returning?" Well, there are two, according to the Scriptures: (1) He comes to rescue His people, and (2) He comes to reign. I believe that, therefore, our resurrection/transformation/rapture/ascension also has the same two purposes. We are transported (1) to help Him rescue His people, and (2) to help Him reign. The Scriptures imply that He will start without us because it says that He will be MAJORLY TICKED OFF that no one is helping Him with His indignation against Botsrah (Bozrah) in Edowm (Edom) for the way they treated His people, Isra'el (Isaiah 63:1-6). So, which comes first? I believe that the rescue of His people must occur before He can begin His reign in Isra'el; so, it seems to me that the RESCUE has to occur before He begins His reign. He has to have His people and His Land before He can reign as their King. I like that line of reasoning, it seems to fit

I've seen the videos of rebels shooting some sort of canister weapon, whether it was the sarin gas who knows, they way the guy ran from the missile he was firing, it was clearly not just your average rocket, as I've witnessed those being fired too, and they don't bother running away from the launch site, they just duck and keep their head down

Arizona should only be lived in the winter, Its uninhabitable in the summer, unless your a gecko

so he was the first Jesuit pope? man! is it going to get interesting now!

utube the history of medicine, Its really interesting how much it has changed over the last 100 yrs, managing peoples health through medicine seems to be where the moneys at, curing people has no profit

only God knows

As this verse states you were not ever found they just thought they were Matt 7:21 and the verified truth of Scripture is simply -simple and plain-> 1 John 2:19 19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us. NKJV As far as believers being deceived God says He 'IS' able to prevent Matt 24:24-25 24 For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you beforehand. NKJV The if possible in the reasoning of The Scriptures above NOT possible by these verses below: Rom 8:31-39 31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32 He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not with Him also freely give us all things? 33 Who shall bring a charge against God's elect? It is God who justifies. 34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us. 35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? 36 As it is written: "For Your sake we are killed all day long; We are accounted as sheep for the slaughter." 37 Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. 38 For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, 39 nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. NKJV When God speaks this plainly the truth of His Possession 'Those born and sealed by God The Holy Spirit 2 Cor 1:20-22' others may say whatever but 'WE' know His Truth.... Love, Steven seems Jesus and all the apostles wasted a whole lot of time warning the people who weren't really saved to begin with, nor would they be saved. as it makes no sense what so ever to warn born again untouchable Christians who can't be led away from the faith I have to say the OSAS doctrine is probably the most unbalanced theology ever taught, but seeing where it came from explains alot

I agree!

according to the bible satan can deceive believers, deceit can lead a believer away from the truth, if your no longer in the truth, your lost