Daniel 11:36

You are revealing your connection son When I see a source that talks about Kenites at the time of the end I know who you are You are believing the lies of Arnold Murray and you should stop this nonsense

"It's a mess I know. Probably makes no sense" Only a mess for you .... there are only two kings in the setting at the time of the end .... the king of the north, and the king of the south

Not true at all .... the pre-tribualtion rapture is a fact

The Lord will come at a time that is unannounced just before He brings His wrath and judgment upon an unbelieving world of humans This action by the Lord is not given in any scripture and it is the time of the rapture

"there are only two kings involved, the king of the north and king of the south" There are only two kings Diaste .... and the north one is the anitchrist This setting is a continuation of the conflict between Antiochus IV and Egypt played out during the coming 70th week decreed for Israel Only two kings are involved, not three Where did you get this idea?

"Not really. Two different greek words. Two different meanings. Might be worth a word study. If you're seeking understanding" Why do you always try to define different words by some sort of personal differentiation Scripture is to be read with singular meaning by those who know the truth

You are wrong on this issue Diaste .... there are only two kings involved, the king of the north and king of the south

"No use rehashing this, its obvious you have Islam as on the mind as what you think, even though the scripture do not attest to it, so we would just be wasting each others time going over the same things" You will be wasting on this issue .... no doubt Islam will be incorporated in the beast's attack upon Israel .... this is a fact This beast's methodology will be to incorporate the Islamic countries into his 6th and larger 7th kingdom during the 70th week decreed for Israel The countries of this set will include those of Ezekiel 38 and Psalms 83 at the time of the end Israel vs Islam is the setting in the Middle East and this is the focus of the prophetic scriptures The last portion of the prophetic scriptures ended with Antiochus IV and will start again with the king of the north at the proper time Your Roman scheme is not prophetic in any way .... this period of time is not of the prophetic scriptures

There are only two kings in Daniel 11:36 thru 11:45 as stated The king of the north, and the king of the south The king of the south will push at the king of the north and the king of the north will attack him The king of Egypt will be his victim

The book of life is different .... the 7 seals reflect the time of tribulation coming upon the whole world just after the Lord's church has been made immortal

Believe that this is accurate and true .... the Lamb's book of life is always presented as a separate issue compared with the 7 sealed scroll Even here {Revelation 20:11-15] What the Lord has not revealed in scripture is not known However, what He has revealed we can know

What it says .... and there is no mention of the book of life in either Revelation 4 or 5 Not only that but the church of today is already in heaven with the Lord at the time [Revelation 5:11; 7:9-17] Suggest that you stop your corruption and read your Bible

"Three kings, not two" Two kings .... one north and one south The king of the north is the human little horn driven by Abaddon

I'm asking those who propose a pre-trib rapture to explain this. If the 7 sealed scroll contains within it the book of life, and that this book needs to be opened in order to reveal the names of the righteous, and this book is sealed with the seven seals of the scroll The 7 sealed scroll does not contain the book of life

"So let's keep this thread about what it is about, the bickering that these topic seem to have along with them, and what we can do to end or reduce that!" Different views will always bring argumentations with regard for the Lord's word .... this is a fact Some do know the truth about things like the pre-tribulation rapture, but many do not .... in fact most do not So it is because of this disparate thinking that there will be conflict .... nothing new And these things will only increase with time Some know scriptural fact, but most do not and this divergence will only increase as mankind moves closer to the end of the Lord's actions

"I'm asking those who propose a pre-trib rapture to explain this. If the 7 sealed scroll contains within it the book of life, and that this book needs to be opened in order to reveal the names of the righteous, and this book is sealed with the seven seals of the scroll, then how does one have a pre-trib rapture before this scroll is unsealed?" Tell me where scripture it says that the 7 sealed scroll contains within it the book of life

The pre-tribulation rapture was first taught by Paul .... a Mystery he said .... and the truth What others say different from Paul are obviously wrong

Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. The only people judged here are the dead according to their works All will be sent to the Lord's lake of fire So how do you say that there will be no pre-tribulation rapture based upon your idea

Rome is in the dust bin of history and was not a prophetic kingdom at all The beast's next kingdom will be Islamic during the 70th week decreed for Israel .... no doubt From Antiocus IV [Daniel 11:21-35] .... to the king of the north [Daniel 11:36-45] The components of this truth are given [Psalms 83; Ezekiel 38; 39] Your idea about Rome is false Revelation Man

"The beast will rise from one of the four horns, it seems the most valid conclusion is that the beast is from the Seleucid line in the Mideast, and is most likely Islamic" I agree with this

"I started a topic asking why it is important to know when the church started. I see why by your answer. You see the church beginning at Pentecost, am I right? And that is critical to the whole separation of Israel from the Church doctrine" Correct

1 Corinthians 15:51-58 and 1st Thessalonians 4:13-18 tells everything about the rapture son which happens just before the tribulation period begins

"Pops, what was Jesus discussing in chapters 16 and 18 where He uses the word church?" The Lord says nothing about the church in Matthew 16 or 18 Matthew 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: 24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: 24:18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

"Make war with whom? Recently converted "tribulation saints?" No, the war is waged with those who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus" No .... only Israelites are a part Satan's war against Israel in Revelation 12 This passage of scripture is confined to the Lord, Israel, and Satan Revelation 12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth. 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ

The "beast" is not human .... he is a fallen angel [Revelation 9:11] Until you understand this truth you will not be able to identify him This one rules over 7 kingdoms of the Middle East, five have fallen, and two will be in the future from now His rule was suspended after the first 5 kingdoms .... and he will be released from the abyss to rule again over the next two in the future The one that "is", the 6th .... and the next larger 7th He will do this through the human little horn and will ultimately become the 8th himself This beast is Abaddon