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Hardly. Unrighteousness and wickednesses were very common in church leaders , since around 300 a.d. through today. Sometimes it makes the news. Usually it is covered up. Perhaps, in those years, one "would think" they could go into any church.... thus..... but finding a holy man of God in any century has been rare, as they are "few". Jesus says "There are many false religious teachers" ... and "beware the teachings of the religious teachers" and "test everything" BEFORE accepting it or believing it. (like the Bereans)

The accuser is still very active and the results of his activity are seen every day on the forum and all over the earth.

I wonder if it was a sock account, or even if not, if it was just meant to spur dispute and get things posted to be copied and collated (saved and sorted) out later to be used against the posters who respond ......

He Himself gave instructions in the Bible: IF someone in the assembly sins, and repents of their sin , not continuing with their sin after being correctly chastised appropriately by one or two members and then by the elders or the assembly, THEN they can remain in fellowshiop. IF someone in the assembly sins, and after appropriate action as directed , they continue in their sin , then take the action directed in Scripture , and if they continue in their sin, put them out of the assembly, with the purpose that they will turn around with Godly sorrow and they will repent, so they may be again brought back in to the fellowship. THus as directed by Jesus, KEEP the fellowship pure and holy by following HIS DIRECTIONS.

There may or may not be a good or right reason for using a capital "A" .... it doesn't matter here though. The error(s) remain with or without a capital. The doctrine might not be any problem for those who love God, who are called according to His Purpose. However, 'from memory', didn't you say you think the president is or could be fitting that doctrine ? You thus must have used other false ideas, false interpretations, and false premises to speak that error. If you had read the truth the last 40 years and comprehended it, you never would have published such a crime, because you would have known the truth, and the truth would have set you free from the errors of your book. Well, some people go ahead and publish anyway, usually for money, even when they know it is error. I won't try to guess why, but as I stated in days past, I wouldn't advise anyone to print, sell, buy, nor read a book with such error !

Read the Bible -- it is written IN THE BIBLE - the Bible (the Gospel), God saves men by the "foolishness..." ... see details in the Bible. Also, by mankind's estimation, God's Way, the Bible, IS NOT PRACTICAL. (I don't remember, but I think someone said something about "practical" earlier ? )

God clearly says throughout His Word, and Jesus likewise says, love not the world nor the things of the world. Thus, nothing in common with "-isms", especially those "-isms" that include loving the world's ways without rightly seeing the truth about those ways. Thus, that's why Ekklesia , those set apart from the world, called out of the world, cannot be friends with so-called ecu .. "-ism" ..... there's a completely different spirit, and completely different gospel !

Probably not. "The saints" , I think, usually refers to , in the United States, church goers. Church goers usually have nothing to do with Ekklesia. (Instead, church goers and the authorities in the church will kill Ekklesia when they can and the church people think they are doing (their) god a favor by doing this. The church(es) have often used secular military or police forces to do this, proudly as if not to get their own hands dirty..... while the inside of the cup is full of abominations!

Why say that ? (even if "you could").... I don't think those distinctions are helpful, nor accurate Biblically. Rather, as in ACTS, as also throughout the last 2000 years when faithful Ekklesia were found, "FOLLOW JESUS". And also, as Jesus says, who is My family ? WHOEVER HEARS the WORD OF THE FATHER, AND DOES IT. With men, this is impossible, but as Jesus says, if we trust the heavenly Father to accomplish our salvation, in this life and the next, it is already done. If we trust ourselves to accomplish it, we have already failed.

Short search excerpt: Leonard Ravenhill - Grace Gems! https://www.gracegems.org/30/leonard_ravenhill_quotes.htm Leonard Ravenhill (1907 – 1994). I went to a church not ... I doubt if 5% of professing Christians in America are born again! ~ ~ ~ ~ Entertainment is the devil's ...

Assemblies of Ekklesia((EK)set apart by Yahuweh for Himself, out from the world/society) , much much different than what is referred to as "church" in this forum and in most Churches.h Very common errors: teachings/thoughts for centuries that the Church is referred to .... at all in the Apocalypse...

"People" > "Society", yes, has always been pernicious(death producing) , even or worse when it pretended to be Godly but refused His Instructions and did not call on Him for healing, for help, or for salvation even ! Ungodliness is promoted everywhere, every day, without shame, without conscience, without blushing! ("MY PEOPLE have FORGOTTEN HOW TO BLUSH") ......... it is a terribly wicked world, and is doomed.

The lies on television , broadcast EVERY DAY SINCE THEN, were already around about 1948 with the first widely broadcast television commercials. The television shows also, were UNrighteous - opposed to God, almost all. Even the so-called family shows, "so nice", "so wonderful", were without Jesus, and instead served another worldly 'god', mostly money. So no, television was never "good", nor "right" with true Christians. It was and is a plague of the spirits, minds, and health of children and adults everywhere.

"The Curse Causeless Shall Not Come" "IF YOU OBEY ME" "I won't PUT ANY OF THESE DISEASES upon you that I PUT ON THE <heathen, pagan> " "If you obey Me" , most people never get to nor past this point. Others claim it is not necessary. WHERE can someone GO to learn God's Way !?!? (IF they are joyously willing to obey )

The flesh (with emotions, feelings, uncrucified desires) is involved, probably.

See in Scripture the types or kinds of language/ discussion topics is said not to be appropriate for believers - things done in darkness that ought not even be discussed. The things are not approved of , no, but discussing some things in the assembly is harmful to the weak and young and impressionable and possibly also (didn't think about this before) harmful to visitors passing by reading such language of disgusting sins that ought never even enter the thoughts of little children .... Congress could stop the murder if they chose to. But they made a lot of money in the past , not stopping it. Just like wars. The more wars, the more money .

The blind lead the blind every day, and they all fall into the pit. Yahuweh, The Creator, Almighty, Sovereign, says the evidence is all creation. Those who deny it, lose. They don't survive. They don't get saved. People are born in the flesh - they don't have to do anything to become flesh. (opposed to spirit). Everyone is "welcome" to join the forum. Encouraged even. They can post whatever they want, as long as they don't offend anyone. If they get reported, the post might get deleted, or even the thread deleted, without warning. (it's in the usual forum rules). No one can prove they are a Christian. So anyone who claims to be is. (on forums). No one has to be a Christian to post. So most who post aren't. (percentages work - since most people of the world aren't Christian, most people on the forums aren't Christian either) In the past, forums have said they welcome the pagans and the heathen to post. Let the true Christians learn how to respond to them, but they cannot be banned or stopped in most cases, by the rules, unless someone gets offended and breaks a rule. i.e. like potpourri - a mix of all the religions and non-religious of the world come to play .... It's not safe for the weak in faith or for seekers or for little children, because the false posts/posters are not flagged, tagged, identified like a missing bridge on a highway might be (there are no warning signs on forums like there are on roads with bridges out).... thus reader beware.

The more common sin is to pretend to be something one is not, and many are deceived.

"The curse causeless shall not come". So many under one or another curse(s) daily, who can start to fathom it all ? The health problems all caused by mal-nutrition, de-hydration and stress (plus spiritual activity when and if) ... can be dealt with by nutrition, hydration, and relieving the stress, (and prayer and authority in Yahushua's Name as the Bible Says (not as men attempt at times) ) as well as prevented most of the time. But most of society encourages the curses, instead of the remedies / preventions.

No. Yahushua was expected to return by the Apostles and the Ekklesia in the first and second century, and every century since then. He taught the Apostles and the disciples in the first century, and they believed Him and followed Him and expected Him to return in their own lifetime, and He did not say otherwise to them, ever.

The so-called 'church' won't rule, and not with a rod of iron righteously (in the past through today perhaps, its own people, it did, unrighteously). There's actually no mention of "the church" in Hebrews nor in the Apocalypse. Note instead "Ekklesia" assembly, yes. This is much much different than "the church".

It was published a decade or more ago, online and/or in print, that all so-called genetic diseases (new in the last century) were made up by the great deceiver named in Scripture - 'pharmakeia', to distract people from the true cause (drugs). So it is possible that not all the truth is known about this at all, not even close.

The more life-threatening (soul destroying) problem occurs when someone "feel a connection to them" because of some outward appearance or sign, but they are rcc or jw or m&rmn or some other cult, some of which "pretend" to be regular Christian group but are far from it.... and proselytes or the unwary, adult or child, gets taken in by them..... in deception growing every day.... (more common by far, worldwide)....

Try to find where Jesus says to "CLEAN the inside of the cup first" ........ this is necessary for life, of course.

Proverbs 29:23 (NLT) - Pride ends in humiliation while https://www.blueletterbible.org/nlt/pro/29/23/s_657023 Proverbs - Pride ends in humiliation, while humility brings honor. ===================================================== Humility - blogs.blueletterbible.org [Search domain blogs.blueletterbible.org/blb/2011/11/14/humility/] https://blogs.blueletterbible.org/blb/2011/11/14/humility/ Humility seems to be a missing adornment in the life of believers. Many will flock to hear about prophecy, Holy Ghost power, church growth, and marketing methods, but few would attend a seminar on how to wash feet, get smaller, prefer others, and like Jesus, "make ourselves of no reputation," Phil. 2:7.