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This is actually simply disclosed in Yahweh's Word, in All Scripture, by by Revelation (Yahweh's Opening the mind to understand). "Members of your own family will be ['may' be] your worst enemies" "Father will turn against son, son against father" (and turn one another in to be put to death(literally) ) ... 'The whole world (including "the household of faith or close family") is deceived, and refuses to stop serving demons.' applies to many (most around us). 'Traps are laid every day in the house of God even, for those who are seeking to serve God' and with many other warnings TODAY, Yahweh through Jesus, through His Word, warns us every one of the PERNICIOUSNESS of all (yes, all-) society/ mankind/ neighborhoods around us and far away. Yet also Yahweh's Promise of His Word: He calls and chooses and keeps A REMNANT out from every people on earth, for Himself, His Testimony all over the world, His people .....

Again, as before, go only by what is written, and not by the so-called 'theology' or various man-made doctrines or such that were devised by men and through men. Yes, it is difficult, since most of what is taught for several generations is man-made, contrary to, added to, or taken away from (thus all-t0gether different from) Yahweh's Word.

Too far from the topic/point ...... too much distraction from what agape is, without knowing what agape is. Without knowing Yahweh's Plan and Purpose (even though you did quote a little of it, without seeing it) ...... I don't know the origin of the errors, or who told you in error that agape from Yahweh was what you said in this thread. They were wrong, and the rest of the associated thoughts then are wrong likewise also. (with wrong premise, anything built upon it is necessarily in error) ..... and, no, I don't know enough at this point to tell you when the error started, or why you believed it. Perhaps for future and different threads, if Yahweh permits. (not to derail this one any further) ...

Either you don't know what agape love is, or what Yahweh desires, or both. Someone has taught you a lot of error.

Do you want to be most pitied !? (I don't think so)

So ? Yahweh has/had and shows agape love for the unsaved, the unrighteous, as well as for the righteous, even if they leave Him to serve demons. Ezekiel 18:23 Do I take any pleasure in the death of the wicked ... biblehub.com/ezekiel/18-23.htm - Cached - Similar Have I any pleasure in the death of the wicked? saith the Lord GOD: and not rather ... All his righteous deeds which he has done will not be remembered for his ... 1 Peter 3:18 - Bible Gateway https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/1 Peter 3%3A18 - Cached - Similar Because Christ also suffered for sins once, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God; being put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit;. AMP ... He was not guilty, but he died for people who are guilty.

Only by grace, and by being crucified (ALL the things of the flesh must be crucified), and walking in newness of life - A NEW CREATION in CHRIST JESUS.....

Socially and ethically and so forth, rcc catholic is the universal apostasy, as mass and other practices are abominations.

Yahweh is Spirit. person | Definition of person in English by Oxford Dictionaries https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/person - Cached Definition of person - a human being regarded as an individual,

There four or five or three glaring errors there, substantive errors contrary to Yahweh's Word, and not able to be discussed on this forum, sorry.(like the long time publicly exposed errors of John Macarthur, too many people follow them, to be able to discuss them here) ....

1 Tim 3:16 Beyond all question, the mystery from which true godliness springs is great: He appeared in the flesh, was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was preached among the nations, was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory. All Scripture is TRUTH, and often a paradox. Never-the-less, the point wasn't the Numbers VS Timothy , but that Yahweh and the holy Spirit is not/ are not a "person" .

Numbers 23:19 KJV - God is not a man, that he should lie; - Bible ... https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers...KJV - Cached - Similar God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent : hath he said, and shall he not do it?

This is not true, nor is it indicatd in anything else in your post(s) of Scripture ..... Yahweh grants the understanding of Scripture to infants, of Salvation to Whom He Pleases, and hides everything about Salvation from the educated, (scholars).... as Jesus Says, because this is Yahweh's GOOD PLEASURE SO TO DO.

"fake" ? perhaps..... false, yes.... I questioning* "fake" because they might actually believe they are Christians, for decades, not finding out until Judgment Day that they never were really born again --- that they were fooled.... they don't or may not even know they are not genuine .... they really really really believe for all their lives that they are saved.... *as if "fake" means they know they are not saved, but fake it , pretend anyway, VS not knowing they aren't ... (it seems multitudes don't know ) ....

A servant, a slave, a messenger of Yahweh, could both smoke and drink coffee without any sin**. The sin would be, as Scripture is clear, in those in the natural who try to appraise those who are spiritual as if they were sinning when they weren't, as well as everything else in the natural, of course.... **and they could totally, as Jesus did/does, visit and have dinner with and spend time with (towards their healing and salvation Yahweh's Way) tax collectors, thieves, and prostitutes, also...... with no sin in themselves (the spiritual).

Amein.... they think they can't fall away, so they don't realize when they are already fallen away, often for years, or decades even... and what is worse than that ? ... simply this: they teach others the same (thus a greater falling away, a landslide at times, more apostasy ) ....

As Jesus told all the disciples, you can't. Faith is a gift. Trust the Father in heaven the same as a 3 year old boy trusts his father on earth, when he asks for a sandwich. The 3 year old boy just simply expects his father to give him a sandwich. (not a stone). Jesus says likewise, when you ask the heavenly Father (the Creator of all the Universe and All life), for something, trust Him, rely on Him, even when asking for faith/ to trust Him, and only Him (never trust yourself, or any flesh). As Jesus Says "Ask, and keep asking, and you will receive". "Seek EAGERLY (Yahweh's Kingdom), and keep seeking His Kingdom (all the time, never , never stop, no never stop) .... and you will find it..... as Yahweh Says..... (His Way, not man's way, no, never) ....

Only with regard to Jesus soon return: (nothing to do with rapture, as far as I am aware) , from Devotion by @George . "by George Whitten, Editor of Worthy Devotions. Isaiah 51:5 My righteousness is near; My salvation is gone forth, and My arm [z’roah in Hebrew] shall judge the people; the isles shall wait upon me, and on My arm [z’roah] they will trust. John 5:22 For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son, Revelation 19:11 Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war. On December 25, 1908, a newspaper in Messina, Silicy dared God to make Himself known by sending an earthquake. Three days later, the city was destroyed by an earthquake that killed over 84,000 people. Do we really believe that Yeshua (Jesus) is returning soon? He is – He's coming back to judge this world and no one will escape His wrath except those whose sins are forgiven through living faith in His atoning sacrifice. The world in its increasing sinfulness, rejecting His Son, seems to be daring God to bring judgment...."

Instead, 'tis much better, right, to stick with what is actually written ? for quick example: (maybe a dozen or more) > http://www.creation-science-prophecy.com/prophet.htm "In much of the new testament, we see Paul who also warns of the nearness of Christ's return. ... ... ... ... ..."

"doctrines" of men abound on this forum, and throughout history, throughout all (most all) of the 'churches', and false doctrines, false teachers, false practices abound much more than truth. "Few" find the narrow road, remember? Jesus Himself Personally taught the Apostles and disciples in such a way as they EXPECTED EAGERLY HIS RETURN in their own lifetime So should we all who trust in HIM, abiding in HIS WORD.

Scripture, Yahweh's Word, Jesus, what the men sent by Yahweh said (His Watchmen, His Messengers) , none of which is civil............ . *nor religious....... so , then, if the truth is truly wanted, who do you seek an answer from ?

"in a nutshell" from Acts 3, 4 excerpts: "16 “Through faith in the name of Jesus, this man was healed—and you know how crippled he was before. Faith in Jesus’ name has healed him before your very eyes. 17 “Friends,[c] I realize that what you and your leaders did to Jesus was done in ignorance. 18 But God was fulfilling what all the prophets had foretold about the Messiah—that he must suffer these things. 19 Now repent of your sins and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped away. 20 Then times of refreshment will come from the presence of the Lord, and he will again send you Jesus, your appointed Messiah. 21 For he must remain in heaven until the time for the final restoration of all things, as God promised long ago through his holy prophets. 22 Moses said, ‘The Lord your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from among your own people. Listen carefully to everything he tells you.’[d] 23 Then Moses said, ‘Anyone who will not listen to that Prophet will be completely cut off from God’s people.’[e] 24 “Starting with Samuel, every prophet spoke about what is happening today. 25 You are the children of those prophets, and you are included in the covenant God promised to your ancestors. For God said to Abraham, ‘Through your descendants[f] all the families on earth will be blessed.’ 26 When God raised up his servant, Jesus, he sent him first to you people of Israel, to bless you by turning each of you back from your sinful ways.”" ‘The stone that you builders rejected has now become the cornerstone.’ 12 There is salvation in no one else! God has given no other name under heaven by which we must be saved.” "32 All the believers were united in heart and mind. And they felt that what they owned was not their own, so they shared everything they had. 33 The apostles testified powerfully to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and God’s great blessing was upon them all. 34 There were no needy people among them, because those who owned land or houses would sell them 35 and bring the money to the apostles to give to those in need. 36 For instance, there was Joseph, the one the apostles nicknamed Barnabas (which means “Son of Encouragement”). He was from the tribe of Levi and came from the island of Cyprus. 37 He sold a field he owned and brought the money to the apostles."

Regarding simply being saved from what Scripture says those who are immersed in Jesus' Name are saved from, those things that it is not noted that those persons are saved by believing but by being Immersed in Jesus' Name, those things throughout the New Testament Scripture (God's Word) which can be read and can be believed by faith Yahweh Willing, those things that may or may not be accompanied or may accompany eternal life ...... i.e. there are several things a person may be saved from , by being immersed in Jesus' Name (yes, under water), as Scripture clearly says ...... i.e. "being saved" does not refer to ONLY being saved unto eternal life... ... ...

What was Yahweh's people told to do ? What was s and g punished for not doing ? (the same thing) What did the Apostle's and the disciples IN THE NEW TESTAMENT SCRIPTURES do that was "comfortable" ? What were the ekklesia in every town told to be sure to do ? What do most of the organized groups fail to do today ? (the same thing again)

Some un-named bride before the flood.