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An apostle is not a missionary. To be an Apostle you have to have Apostolic Signs (sign gifts)... "the signs of an APOSTLE".. 2 Corinthians 12:12 Also , the epistle of Acts is actually : "The ACTS of the Apostles".
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1 Corinthians 11:1
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In Acts chapter 10, that is 9-10 yrs AFTER Jesus ascended to Heaven, Peter has no idea what the "Gospel of the Grace of God" is.....and God has to give Him a vision, and tell. him "rise peter, kill and eat", and this was the first that Peter ever began to understand that GENTILES could be saved. So, THAT Apostle, was not familiar with "Grace Thru Faith", or "The Gift of Righteousness", as he was not even aware 10 yrs after Christ was back in Heaven, that the time of the Gentiles was in play, having no idea that a Gentile could be saved. Later, He and Paul worked that out, and then Peter was up to "Gospel" speed.
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There is no side that does that. No preacher or teacher or ministry teaches that Grace is a freedom to sin. This does not exist. But what does exits is a cult that exists who try to create the idea that the Grace of God, if taught correctly, is a freedom to sin. So, that is the devil's very clever attempt to "guilt by association" the idea of Grace as "enjoy your sin", by spreading the lie that people actually teach this as the doctrine of Justification by Faith. NO ONE DOES THIS. JUDE, in Chapter ONE< said that these liars, have come to the body os Christ = to try to create the false idea that Grace is a License to Sin. And in doing so they try to prevent the True Gospel from being preached and the Grace of God from being understood correctly. Jude says to contend and resist this lie and these heretics......to contend for the REAL FAITH that they are trying to destroy by lying about it and abusing it by subverting it as a " license to sin." These same heretics, were spreading the lie that Paul was teaching. "we must sin so that Grace will come and abound"... 2000 ys later, the slogan has changed into "cheap grace" and "license to sin", but the same Devil has not changed his tactic.
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Taking a verse, and posting a verse, is meaningless without a context. I can make the bible teach whatever i want by just taking a verse as you are doing. Notice the one line in your verse.... " If we are FAITHLESS, Jesus REMAINS FAITHFUL".....so, that is telling you that if you lose your faith......it does not matter, because HE IS STILL FAITHFUL TO US">. "I give them eternal LIFE...and they shall NEVER PERISH"... Let me teach all that..... I love the word. Here .... So, the context of that line of verse you posted is this one...."God, who began your salvation (born again), = will Himself be FAITHFUL to COMPLETE IT". Philippians 1:6 And here is more context for you....."Jesus, the author and FINISHER OF OUR FAITH":.... Hebrews 12:2 So, even our FAITH is completed by Jesus.. its not completed by US.....God only required us to GIVE HIM OUR FAITH......to then GIVE US "the righteousness of Christ" the INSTANT YOU DID. Faith does not SAVE,... Faith ACTIVATES GOD TO SAVE YOU. See all that? That is comparing scripture with Scripture to get the REVELATION.....Its not just yanking one verse out of context to post on a forum, what isn't TRUTH.
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There is no "Judgement" for the Christian. That was already given to Christ on the Cross. So, there IS your "judgment" for all your sin, its that CROSS and that DEATH of Jesus. This is the "CUP" that Jesus was talking about in Gethsemane when He said "If possible (Father) let this CUP.... pass from me".. And that CUP was the coming Judgment of God due the Sin of the World that came to fall on Christ, who bore all the sin of the World, upon Himself. That is the Judgment that all the born again will never face, in Eternity. The judgement for the sin of the world has been paid in full on the cross, but this payment, this forgiveness is not APPIED unless you become BORN AGAIN. What you will face down here, is a spiritual law that was not removed from this earth on that Cross. And that is....the fact of "sowing and reaping.... or "be sure you sin will find you out"... So, while God will never "double Judge" the Born again, the law of sowing and reaping will execute the pain of consequence upon any unbeliever or any born again Christian who commits deeds that call this into play.
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Let me give you a reason to believe that Paul was the person who wrote most of the New Testament. Its because He did. So, you have to think, and realize, that God caused this.....and for a reason. There is also the fact that it was only Paul who Jesus took aside and revealed "justification by faith" as the GOSPEL that is not Acts 2:38, but rather its "justification by faith", "The GIFT of righteousness". So, WE PREACH The Gospel of the Grace of God and not "repent and be baptized", BECAUSE Paul is the one who updated the body of Christ regarding the "GOSPEL" that he refers to as "my Gospel". Also, Paul told YOU, to "be a follower of ME, as I follow Christ"...... and no other apostle ever told you that... So, if God didn't want that to be so, then God would not have that in His New Testament.
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And no "bad works" can cause you to lose your Salvation, because : God saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, ...(works)... but because of God's mercy. God saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit... no works involved on our part. Salvation is all of God and none of us. God justifies, sanctifies, redeems, and saves the UNGODLY, not the Godly, and we were all the ungodly before the Blood Of Jesus made us CLEAN. Now we are "the righteousness of Christ".
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I read what you wrote. You attributed to God, the "sowing and reaping" that we endure because of our "sin". That is teaching that God is the author of the sin, and is using it to teach you how to behave... and spiritually mature. Dont teach that, as it attributes to God the denial of our free will, and that is Calvinism, as well as the idea that we are "predestined" to sin, ...etc.
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The "gospel of Truth" is what Paul said is "my gospel". And it simply teaches that Jesus is the Redeemer and Salvation is a Free Gift. Preach that "preaching of the Cross" message and you are preaching "truth". But if you deny the Cross, if you deny Jesus as the redeemer, and change the gospel into...>"here is what you do to get into heaven, commandments, torah, enduring to the end, obedience, works, works, self effort", then you have denied the Blood of Jesus as only what saves and keeps you saved. don't preach that....
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Jesus will never deny me or anyone who is born again. We are IN Him and He's in us. Being Born, being born again, can never be changed. Its an eternal LIFE experience that will last as long as the God who caused it.
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The bible contains the words of Jesus and they are "spirit and they are life". The bible is the "seed" of the word, because it contains the "gospel", and these are the power of God. Listen, "the preaching of the Cross" is what God uses to bring a person into the family of God. Its the Words, .."faith cometh by HEARING" words... BIBLE.....And you hear what the BIBLE CONTAINS that are the words of LIFE and by FAITH BELIEVE.... And one more..... The Name of Jesus, HIS NAME, is "above every name". YET........""" For You have magnified Your word above all Your name.""" Psalm 138:2 So, the word of God... the SCRIPTURES = THE BIBLE = is exalted ABOVE the Name of Jesus, and that is in your BIBLE. Why dont you know that, is something you should be concerned about. The Bible is not just a book. Its the Living word of God.
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Questons indeed ......
Behold replied to branchesofHim's topic in Do you want to just ask a question?
Sounds like you are in an Existential crisis. Thats a good place to be, as its often by discovering that the world is one big lie, that we turn to Jesus for hope, who is "The Truth". Solomon wrote quite a bit about the futility of getting involved in the cares of this life. Paul said that if you get tangled up in the world's cares, then the problems you gain will greatly hinder your ability to give God your all. God created us with "free will". And "family" is something that we all can relate to, because God created this instinct in us because this is a part of who God is, and what God himself desires. God designed us to be able to choose. He didn't create us as robots or puppets owned and operated by predestination. God, who is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent, KNOWS what you are always going to do, but He does not CAUSE it...... He only knows in advance... what you will always do next. (foreknowledge of God). God created divine beings, who are made in God's (Likeness - Image) and wants us to have the option to make A choice. We choose life eternal or we choose death eternal. God allows a person to go to hell, He does not choose this for them. They chose it for themselves when they died as a Christ Rejector....So, God HONORS your choice . If a person never wanted CHRIST when they were on earth, they will also not want Him after death. They will just wish they had....... John Lennon wrote the lyrics. "no hell below us, above us only sky"< and He now wishes to GOD that He had another chance to "all that call on the name of the Lord, shall be saved". The Father of God is the Father of the born again. The Father of the unbeliever is the Devil. And in each case, after Death, the person will go to THEIR FATHER. So, Reader, if you have deeper questions you need answered..... then die born again, and when you meet God you have quite a long time to ask Him all about ...."why this", and "why that", and so forth. -
"For whoso findeth me findeth life, and shall obtain favour of the Lord." Proverbs 8:35
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You are teaching a sort of hybrid idea thats very related to hyper Calvinism, whereby God grows a believer ONLY by allowing them to suffer the consequences of their sin, as this is strictly related to "sowing and reaping". So, where this theory fails the truth, is that its teaching that God would cause your choices, (to sin)... to then teach you thru the consequences that you suffer, that God originally caused you to do. Here is your issue ... God does not cause Temptation, and we are drawn into sin Thru Temptation... So, be careful to not give God the Credit for the Devil's work. It is true that you can learn a lot by having to deal with the consequences of your FREEWILL choices, but, to teach that you are pre-destined by God to make choices that harm you with consequences as His main way to TEACH YOU< is not true. The NT says that "Jesus learned obedience by/thru the things He suffered" but this suffering was not related to "sowing and reaping"..... Also, God elevates your spiritual understanding thru His Word, and this is a large part of learning spiritual lessons as well as life lessons. God gave you the Bible, to ALSO teach you by studying it, to LEARN what to AVOID so that you dont have to suffer the consequences of SINNING. "the entrance of THY WORD = Giveth LIGHT", and that Light is the continuing school of spiritual learning.
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That Ye Love One Another, As I Have Loved You
Behold replied to Walter and Deborah's topic in General Discussion
The Joy of the Lord is to stop trying to be "good enough" and instead ... allow God's Grace to show you that God has already made you good enough "once and for all", by the Blood of Jesus. who has ALREADY "obtained eternal redemption FOR US"..... God's GRACE : is like a pillow of eternal security where you can lay down your weary head and forever rest your weary soul = FROM trying to make yourself worthy before God. God already did that for you on the CROSS. Hallelujah !!!!! Thank you JESUS ! -
Maybe Ken should have created "Apple" or "PC"..... ? Also, its not that John's Revelation can't be discussed. The problem is, when 10,000 different people can't agree, and 40,000 end time books don't agree. My advice, Reader...... is to not worry much about a situation where you won't be here to notice it or to "endure to the end" of it.. So, why spend countless hours searching into a situation, "the time of Jacob's Troubles", "Daniel's 70th' week"< etc, etc, etc, when none of this is going to help you lead anyone to Christ. See, thats the problem with a lot of people's discipleship., they major in the minors and end up with no real FRUIT..... They just end up. Listen Reader....you are going to MEET Jesus The Christ, and you will be asked "what did you do in MY BODY".....aka, = what did you do with the time i gave you, and the life you lived, that caused a radical change toward HOLINESS in someone's life, or what did you do that was the SEED planted in their HEART ... that caused them to find ME". "umm, well, i didnt do that Lord, but i did worry a lot about "candlesticks" and "apostolic visions". "So are you telling Me, that you never led anyone to ME, ..that this meant NOTHING TO YOU'? "well, ummm, can we just talk about the 7 churches, Lord"? Reader, don't be that person. Be the person who keeps the main thing the main thing. The main thing is "live holy, and share the Light of the Gospel, then train those who have become illuminated by The Truth.
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Behold replied to Brko72's topic in Do you want to just ask a question?
It all depends on who got to you first, after you were born again. If one of the cults got to you, or just a really theologically ruined denominations got to you, ... before you learned what you have to learn to protect yourself from heretics, then you'll end up believing what is not true, and probably teaching it. The critical time in a new believer's walk, is that first year or 3, as that is when you have no idea what NOT TO BELIEVE, and you will be mislead if you are not attached to the right teacher. A new believer needs a good teacher and a good bible and some time well spent with both. Rarely happens. -
Both God and the Bible are alive. The Bible is the mind, heart, and soul, of God, with the New Testament written using Christ's BLOOD as the Living Ink. Jesus, who is the incarnate Word, is living in the bible as " Holy Scripture".
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There is one more thing That God cannot ever do. If you are born again, He cannot ever hold you accountable for your "sin" in eternity, and that is because He has already Judged Jesus on the Cross for your sin. God will never Judge Jesus for your sin, and then later in Eternity Judge you. Jesus "obtained eternal redemption for the born again (us)." ..... and "eternal" , that word, does not allow for it to ever stop. If you are born again, then you are redeemed by the blood of Jesus, forever.
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Conclusion: All above scriptures are under the new covenant or under the New Testament, so it means we need to live a holy life as well and not to contiue to sin. All believers in Yeshua are to live a life that would please God. WE are to love God with our lives., at all times. And as long as we are doing that in the full assurance that God has accepted us based on the blood of Jesus, and not because we think that by being GOOD is why He would save us or keep us saved, then we are right on the Gospel Track. Its TRUTH, to preach that we are to live the Sanctified Life, but once you preach this as the WAY God saves, or the WAY that God keeps you saved, then the Devil's gospel has taken over the Pulpit.
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I understand the will of God and i am familiar with the mind of Christ. The will of God is that you are born again. The mind of Christ, is Philippians 4:8. So, if you want to think like Jesus, then put that verse in your head and in time by DOING that verse, you'll have a new mind. The will of God is that you abide in the Son, that you live a lifestyle of faith, and praise and worship, and Fearlessness. The will of God is that you study the word. The will of God is that you establish your heart with Grace, the understanding of it, the application of it, and the reason God gave Salvation AS "Grace" You spoke of division in the "church". Well there is only one division. Its the same that has been going on since Cain and Abel. You have those who are trying, by self effort, to do what only Christ can do for them. And these oppose the ONLY WAY God offers Christ to do it. They reject Grace and try to replace it with a list of self effort. They build churches to teach this false Gospel, they fill denominations with people who have been deceived by them. They even show up on Forums like this one to try to ruin the faith of sincere Christians. THEY cause the division. They ARE the Division. They are committing the "error of Cain" that you find discussed in JUDE and by Paul in Galatians. These "self savers" are rejectors of "The GIFT of Salvation". They sound like this, DHC..... "well yes, i know that the blood of Jesus saves, but then you have to DO< And KEEP, and WALK, and SELF EFFORT, self effort, self effort, to STAY SAVED". That's how the "dividers" of the Church = The Body of Christ...TALK, and WRITE, and PREACH, and TEACH. and that is Galatians 1:8
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I'm not certain what commentary, Book of Mormon? JW material ????? you are using, but the writer can't possibly know any of that 2000 Years after this event was recorded in a NT. Peter once did something like you are describing, being afraid of the Jews, so he would not sit with Gentile Believers, and Paul scolded him violently and openly for this type of behavior. Listen, there is no mainline denomination that has ever taught anything as wild as what you just wrote. You can't even use a New Testament to prove what you just said. You are teaching from a commentary or a book that is related to your denomination and its not in agreement with seemingly anything that is related to the Cross, Justification by Faith, The Gift of Salvation, the Grace of God... Also, Paul understands that you can't lose your salvation, so, he would not be trying to prevent something that isn't possible, Novus . And the idea of "remaining faithful" so that you keep yourself saved, vs the Blood of Jesus keeping you saved, is just one more standard Legalist idea, along with apostasy as a way to lose salvation. Do you realize that you are very decided that so many things can cause YOU to lose your salvation, yet none of it can? Novus, you can't lose what you didn't cause. What will you do if God gives you Light and you realize that your entire belief system is actually in opposition to the Grace of God? The Apostle Paul who is talking to these unsaved Hebrews, is preaching very strongly, and he is preaching the Gospel. And how do you know? Because he references the Blood of Jesus, etc. So, he's preaching the Cross to these Christ haters, and the warning is extreme he is giving them. He is comparing them to the very one's who screamed "give us Barabbas"...and those who took Christ into an illegal trial in the middle of the night to hide their malicious deed. Paul would not need to preach the Gospel to any group who is already born again... as why would he do it? To get them born again twice? Not quite. And he certainly knows that you can walk away from a religion, but you can't walk away from being Born again. Paul knows that the "new birth" is an eternal situation, and these Hebrews do not have it. They are Christ rejectors, just like those who Stoned Paul to death, and also Stephen. This Hebrews incident is repeated in Act 28, the last 10 verses..
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This is God. : ""for thru the pre-incarnate Christ... God created everything in the heavenly realms and on earth. He made the things we can see and the things we can’t see— such as thrones, kingdoms, rulers, and authorities in the unseen world. Everything was created through him and for him." "All things came into being through JESUS, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being." --- So, metaphysically speaking, speaking as a Christian Mystic..... God is LIFE. He is CREATION. So, when we see Creation, we are seeing the effect and existence as PROOF of God's existence. God is LIFE. LIFE is God. Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the LIFE". Think of it like this. You have dirt. You have a Seed. You plant the seed in the dirt. So, HOW does it come to LIFE? "How" is GOD. God is LIFE. He is the LIFE GIVER. Jesus gives you ETERNAL LIFE, by living IN YOU, as Eternal Life. "Resurrection" is LIFE. "Jesus is THE Resurrection". So, God is in everything, as it all started from nothing and came to EXIST thru Christ. Existence is LIFE. Life is IN God, who manifests LIFE as Creation.... as existence, and as TIME. So, yeah, God is everywhere all the time as LIFE. See that ROSE IN BLOOM? That is the LIFE OF GOD bursting forth as SPRING. Romans 1: "For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, :
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Something else to consider, is......"Jesus is THE Truth".....So, you can be biblically ignorant, yet have all the Truth, because when you have Jesus in you, you have The Truth. "in Jesus are hidden all the treasures of Wisdom & knowledge, " ect. And if we are born again, we are certainly "IN CHRIST". Truth exists, because Jesus who is THE TRUTH, exists. ... John 14:6 Were there no God, and God manifested as Jesus, then you would have no Truth.. There would be none. In the epistle of Romans, you have a verse that speaks of those who are trying to find truth by looking into all "theories'. And so, how can that ever find THE Truth? The verse says..."they are ever - always learning learning learning, but are never able to COME TO THE TRUTH". And that is because to "come to" the Truth, you have to Believe in the ONE who is THE Truth. No Faith = No Truth They wont come to Him, so, they are lost in the dark dark world of "ever learning" yet never finding.