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I can't accept this quote... You don't know what demon possession is I guess. The devil can certainly hear your thoughts. That's one way how he influences and tempts us. The devil can hear our thoughts and silent prayers too. That's how the spirit world works, there's no getting away from it. Our thoughts are 'audible' in the spirit world. We are told to "put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil's schemes." I know it's sounds way out of line but... I've been there and spoken to them. (demons) (OBE'S) It was God's way of familiarizing me about the spirit world.

I'm from NH. I tried N. Carolina and hated it. I lasted 2 weeks and came back.

A behemoth isn't a Leviathan. A behemoth is a land creature that eats grass. It's not dino, it's a simple water ox. The Leviathan is a different story. There's no doubt it has both human and demonic faculties.

That's what the prophecy experts would like you to believe. The 'mark' is a stamp or an 'imprint.' It's NOT something planted beneath the skin. Neither is it going to be worldwide. This has gotten blown way out of proportion! This is the mark of the beast...

He builds his eschatology on all the complicated fabrications he's accepted. They're endless.

I like to believe the results of my studies. You've accepted the most fabricated doctrine of all time. I don't believe the long list of fabrications your mentors have devised. Most people believe Jesus is there throughout and this is the same as the "judgment seat of Christ." There was only one search. You're just trying to fabricate even more stuff here Lamad. In Revelation 5 the "Lion of the tribe of Judah" and the 'Lamb' is mentioned, but the bible wasn't written in Chapters. There's only 11 verses in chapter 4, and 14 in chapter 5, all one 'continuity.' Going "by chapter"...for you to say a rapture happens somewhere in chapter 4, and that's why Jesus isn't there, but JESUS IS THERE in chapter 5 is ludicrous and insane. It really is impressive at the lengths pretribbers go to support falsity. JOHN NEVER LEFT THE THRONE ROOM! It's all the same 'scene'. Bad hermeneutics and fabrications Lamad! Could you show me where? Could you show me where that occurs in chapter 5? The 70th week is over. When the vials begin you're still going to be here fabricating even more stuff telling us we are not in tribulation, there is no anti-Christ etc.....because you're "STILL HERE!" Here we go. Pentecostal spiritual arrogance at work. It really is a case of spiritual immaturity to suggest what you did Lamad. I certainly don't want anything to do with the spirit leading you down pre-trib.

Why? That idea has been around for decades. Lots of people are a 'type' of Jesus. It's just a saying that implies someone whose experience or personality etc. can be compared, and NOT saying they are the same divine attributes. BEJ just doesn't understand or blew way out of proportion what SoyRichard was trying to say. Job was a type of Christ in that he was a righteous sufferer. Job underwent a humiliation and exaltation that finds it’s antitype in the suffering and glory of the Redeemer. Job was tested by God when he was tempted by the devil. Jesus was tested by God when He was tempted by the devil. Just as God meant good for Job through his sufferings (Job 42:12), so He meant good for Christ through His sufferings. Jesus is the righteous sufferer who shows forth the righteousness of God. http://feedingonchrist.com/old-testament-personal-types-and-shadows-of-christ/ https://www.google.com/search?q=was+Job+a+type+of+Jesus%3F&oq=was+Job+a+type+of+Jesus%3F&aqs=chrome..69i57.11991j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Edited commentary by me.... "Job 41:33 " Upon earth there is not his like, who is made without fear." A crocodile with more than one head that God breaks? Must of been a mutation of sorts. Psalm 74:14 Thou brakest the heads of leviathan in pieces, and gavest him to be meat to the people inhabiting the wilderness. Widerness is the desert... God is going to punish crocodiles "in that day."...wonder what they did wrong?... Isaiah 27:1 "In that day the LORD with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea." We are now "in that day." The Leviathan is ISIL. Chapter 27 indicates leviathan is future because God punishes it at a time when Israel has plenty and is prosperous. There's nothing like a whale or a crocodile that brings fear upon the mighty... Job 41:25a When he raiseth up himself, the mighty are afraid:... The mighty are afraid because the Leviathan isn't coming at you with brigades of people and equipment. Jihadist hide among the general population and are in nearly every country in the world. Jihadist and ISIL believe it's God's will for them to participate in jihad. "Islam teaches that if a man does not participate in jihad when a fatwa has been issued for holy war, he is liable to lose his reward in paradise and is a hypocrite." Crocodiles are in need of purification... Job 41:25b... by reason of breakings they purify themselves. The word ‘breakings’ no doubt implies terrorism. It means to break and ruin, and comes from a word meaning "to break, wreck, and to rend violence." "Jihad is the Arabic word for "struggle" or "effort." In the context of the Holy Qur'an, jihad is a struggle or effort to strive "in the path of God" (22:78). Scholar James Turner Johnson says it this way: "the concept of jihad…fundamentally denotes striving or effort expended by the individual Muslim to walk in the path of God" (Johnson 19; Feldman 232-233). Jihad is the effort to purify oneself from within, to purify oneself of selfish appetites--the intention behind the action is important to the action itself. If this is the root meaning of jihad, when and how did it come to mean "holy war" or a "war to kill the infidels"? To answer that, we need to look at jihad in the Qur'an and the term's historical development." _________________ Crocodiles are king over children of pride. Job 41:34 He beholdeth all high things: he is a king over all the children of pride. Good thing we've been warned about crocodiles instead of ISIS.... The word Leviathan is used 5-6 times in the bible. Gesenius says about the leviathan in Isaiah 27:1, "Leviathan is the symbol of the hostile kingdom of Babylon." He says in Job 38 it's "a serpent of a larger kind." Gesenius also says the Leviathan is a "larger than normal serpent and attached to Babylon." In Psalm 74:14 Leviathan is used to describe a fierce enemy. Leviathan is associated with a serpent and a dragon indicating its evil nature. Isaiah 27:1 "In that day the LORD with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea." God has not come out of His place yet to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity. IN THAT DAY, is always an indicator of the last days when the verses just before it also hint that way. This chapter speaks of the time around the Day of the LORD and the Millennial Kingdom that follows. The Leviathan or "crooked serpent" is the dragon and a serpent. The "piercing serpent" is ISIS. Job 41:26 says, KJV... "The sword of him that layeth at him cannot hold: the spear, the dart, nor the habergeon." NAS... "The sword that reaches him cannot avail, Nor the spear, the dart or the javelin." Some of the world's most powerful countries have been launching rockets, missiles, spears, darts, and javelins, and used slingshots. Some that cost almost 1.5 million dollars each, and most believe it will do little to deter them and the leviathan (ISIL) will live on.....AS FOREIGN FIGHTERS! Five historic weapons of flight are mentioned. Arrows, slingstones, darts, spears, and javelins! ALL to no avail! In Isaiah 27:1 the prophecy about the leviathan is yet future for it is destroyed by the Lord. Isaiah 27:1 In that day the LORD with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea. Note the TWO aspects of the Leviathan. One is a piercing serpent. (ISIL) The other is a crooked serpent. (Satan the dragon). We know the serpent is the dragon and his names are Satan and Lucifer. ISIL is the end-time entity prophesied as the Leviathan that the LORD punishes in the end. Job 3:8 May those curse it who curse the day, Those who are ready to arouse Leviathan. Better interpreted... Let them express it that curse the day who are ready to awaken the Leviathan. How do they curse the day??? Like this... Strong’s says the leviathan is, “figuratively, the constellation of the dragon; also as a symbol of Babylon:—leviathan, mourning." We are now "in that day." The Leviathan is ISIL. ISIS believes they are the Leviathan that has been awakened.

I wouldn't call chapter 41 a tongue lashing. It's a prophecy about the Leviathan.

Did you read how he arrived at 2030? It's a simple idea that's been around a while and in my view far more credible than the 70th week stuff. In fact, 2030 has been a year many people have arrived at out of simplicity and a few compelling scriptures. I'm far more leary of people like Thomas Ice or Jack Van Impe and the like.

I'm not trying to pick anything. I don't know the week, month, or year of his return. I don't accept Daniel's 70th week, and if anything, I think there's more credence to 2030 second coming than any of the 70th week stuff. http://2030secondcoming.com/Why2030SC.html

If that were the case, that's what the verse would say. But instead it says day or hour.

The Millennial day theory doesn't mean you know the day, only the year.

Not that I believe everything here but you might get an idea here.... "Why Jesus Christ will return in the year 2030 Even more Biblical evidence that points to the year 2030 Establishing the year of Christ’s death and resurrection is key The Tribulation begins in 2023 and 7 years of plenty in 2016 Timeline Chart for the 2030 Second Coming of Christ What about Imminence, can Jesus really come at any time? Quickly proving the Seventh Trumpet/Post-Tribulation Rapture Quickly disproving the pre-Tribulation rapture/invisible return Why all prophetic dreams, visions and words today are false The invisible return of Christ is found nowhere in the Bible Contradicting the Bible: “Rapture is not the Second Coming” The battle of Jericho foretold of the Seventh Trumpet Rapture The long list of unbiblical pre-Tribulation rapture fabrications Seven ages of the Church: another Darby/Scofield fabrication First, last, before, after: the Bible means what it says Third Day of John 2:1: a prophetic type of the Messianic Age Early Church leaders: Antichrist will persecute the Church Preterism, an even worse heresy than the pre-Trib rapture Who the Restrainer really is, certainly not the Holy Spirit The Jerusalem Temple will be rebuilt within seven years True Meaning of the Seven Seal Scroll of Revelation The First Resurrection of Revelation 20 is of the Church" http://2030secondcoming.com/

I have to remove myself from this forum. Too many --- and idiots. You're a ---- full blown idiot coot. so are all your pre-trib ----.

http://www.alankurschner.com/2011/12/15/why-is-the-word-church-not-mentioned-in-revelation-4–21/#wrap Paul only mentioned the term “church” once in the first chapter of his epistle to the Galatians. Do not Galatians chapters 2–6 apply to the church? The same can be said of 2 Thessalonians; the term “church” is only mentioned in chapter one. And in Colossians, the term is mentioned in the first and last chapters of the book. Does not the body of the letter to the Colossians apply to the church? So this method consistently applied is senseless. Second, the word “church” is absent from the books of Mark, Luke, John, 2 Timothy, Titus, 1 Peter, 2 Peter, 1 John, 2 John, and Jude. Does that mean those books do not pertain to the church? Third, the word “church” is absent from rapture passages: 1Thessalonians 4:13–17 and John 14:1–4. Following their logic, are we right to conclude that the church will not be raptured? Of course not! Fourth, the word “church” is absent from the heavenly scenes in Revelation 4–5. Fifth, nowhere in the book of Revelation does the use of the word “church” ever denote the Church in its totality nor in the sense of the faithful universal church. Every mention of church(es) in Revelation denotes historical local churches in first century Asia Minor. http://www.alankurschner.com/2011/12/15/why-is-the-word-church-not-mentioned-in-revelation-4–21/#wrap That no man should be moved by these afflictions; for yourselves know that we are appointed thereunto. For verily, when we were with you, we told you before that we should suffer tribulation; even as it came to pass, and ye know. So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure: [Which is] a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer: Seeing [it is] a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you; And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels. In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

Nobody said Satan will purify the Church. Through tribulation the church is purified. It's you guys who say the tribulation is "the Day of the Lord." God used persecution and tribulation to bring people back to Him often. The man of sin is used by God to bring Israel back to Him.

And what a difference that is to pre-trib who believes they are removed BEFORE the tribulation and those left behind persecuted. Some pre-tribbers believe the pipe dream that the holy spirit is removed and you can't be saved during the tribulation unless you're beheaded, an Islamic tradition. When the purpose of the tribulation is just as you said, "PURIFICATION."

It's pretty bad when people base their eschatology on movies.

I read your page and surprised at how detailed you think you have this figured out. Sorry bro, but you need to break out of this mindset consider how little you actually know about the end-times You've fallen for several BIG lies. The anti-Christ isn't a sucession of individuals. He's ONE end-time person. I know who came up with this sucession of individuals or empires but it's bogus. You seem to overlook somethig! Islam has a false god, a false prophet who supposedly ascended to heaven from 'God's Holy Place,' a false book, a false returning messiah, a muslim jesus, a coming anti-christ called the dajjal, and a false prophetic scenario very similsr to Christianity's. Not to mention Islam perfectly fulfills the definition of anti-Christ. AND. IT HAS GONE RIGHT OVER THE HEADS OF PEOPLE who promote a church going bad as the end-time beast! Another thing you disregard. The two horned beast is said to have, "two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon." That simply means, two demonic horns similar to Christianity. The two horns are the two major sects of Islam. Muhammad began his religion after having visions and hearing voices in his head. After about 15 years, he had only about 100 followers. Then he began converting people by the sword. He tried three times to take out Mecca and finally did it on the third try. Muhammad died in his mid 60's. It really is impressive that 100 years after the religion began, Muhammadanism militarized enough to almost take out all of Europe. Had it not been for Charles Martel, it is said that all of Europe would have fallen to the Muhammadan armies and Christianity nearly blotted out. Riiiiight....I know Christians are gullible, but this idea throws common sense right out the window. What makes you think that globally people will fall for such foolish feel good about religion stuff? You guys need to GET REAL! Satan tries to destroy everything. Including you obtaining truth. Rome or the EU are powerless to accomplish this 'great deception.' Rome/false doctrine has ZERO to do with the end. It's all about ONE LARGE FALSE RELIGION. THAT'S WHAT BABYLON THE GREAT MEANS! The temple of God ISN'T the church. Sometimes it means the soul of an individual. There are ways of determining whether the word 'temple' is used figuratively or literally. But what does the typical Christian on this forum care about simple hermeneutics. What an outright blasphemous LIE! You've just doubble crossed Jesus Christ. You're a traitor to believe such demonic stuff is coming into the end-time church. It's people like you DESTROYING the credibility of Christ and who ultimately destroy the reasons why anybody would convert to Christ. It's no wonder that since Sept. 11 more people converted to Islam than Christianity. I'm sick of it. Maybe quoting the entire verse would show people what the verse really implies! And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. Maybe you should pay attention. Catholicism believes in Jesus Christ life, death, resurrection, and return. Islam says 'God has no begotten son' right around the octogonal structure of the mosque that 'sits upon' God's Holy Place! Which means we don't need a new religion, or a rebuilt temple to fulfill prophecy, it's already here! Informed, but uninformed. Rome was considered the beast since the reformers because of crucifying Christ, the temples destruction, and persecution.. They're the ones who started this. Even then it was a bad guess at the whore of Babylon or the beast because Islam, even at that time, had already murdered more infidels than Rome BY FAR. NOT ONE person here has answerd my questions about this fourth beast being Rome! Not one person has answered my questions about this inclusive, united, global religion that's supposedly coming. NOT ONE! So I'll ask ONE MORE TIME! WHERE ARE ALL THESE THINGS FOUND IN END-TIME BIBLE PROPHECY? That's right, and you are right in the middle of it. You don't know the definition of either apostasy or Babylon. False doctrines? I know you desperately want to attribute this evil to your brothers and sisters and the Church of Jesus Christ, but it's absolutely disgusting. Ever think flying jet liners into buildingd, cutting peoples heads off including children, burning them alive, plucking the eyes and tongues out of priest and nuns, going into schools and shooting hundreds of children,.... AREN'T the abominations of the earth? Show me where false doctrine is implied in these abominations? You make this sound like people will worldwide suddenly become religious and accept some religious system of peace and inclusivity. I don't think you realize a bit of what you're saying. It's just very impresssive to me that you and so many others believe this stuff and you don't have one scriptural leg to stand on. I keep asking and asking for scriptural evidence. I want you to show me WHY you believe what you believe. Is it because Don Koenig, Chuck Missler, John Hagee, or anyone else said so? Just what is it IN THOSE SCRIPTURES that you quote that makes you believe what you do? The spirit of anti-christ was here shortly after Christ was born. That's all different than the men and Islamic beast who will soon launch the planet into tribulation and ultimately Armageddon.

Me too. I could say Boston and the twin towers are in my back yard. James folley lived close by, Sotloff was educated here, and I know small town jihadist are everywhere around me. People are brainwashed to believe that a religion of inclusivity is coming when the religion of the beast is already here, his temple sits upon God's Holy Place, and they are beheading people daily, literally the beginnings of "the abominations of the earth." The jihadist believe they get virgins in paradise for committing these abominations, and Christians just can't see, or can't associate that, with the harlot. It's just crazy. Instead, they actually blame many of these end-time evils on themselves.

So. I'll ask YOU just like I've asked nearly everyone on the forum... WHERE is Rome or Italy found in bible prophecy. If you believe it, show me the scriptures that support it!

Just what I thought, you can't quote even one scripture to support your beliefs. You're nothing! You don't have a clue how to obtain truth. You blame my method for your scriptural blunders.

If you say so. I'm asking for scriptural evidence. Any such thing?

I'm happy that you know all about it. Is the interfaith movement of Satan? No more than what all religion already is. Satan has his hands quite busy in Christianity too. That's how we end up with things like pre-trib, globalism, and a unified loving all inclusive religion of the beast. Not only that. They blame all of the end-time evils on themselves!