Blood Bought 1953

All we can do is plant the seed of the Gospel.......If there is no response, do like the early disciples did and “ shake the dust from your feet” As Jesus said, we are not to “ cast pearls before swine”

19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. To those that endeavor to “ rightly divide the Word of God” and “ prove themselves to be good students of the Word” it is wise to remember two rules of thumb to refute Legalists who point to verses like this to “prove” that on can lose his Salvation.The verses they use are either not addressing The Body of Christ or they are taken out of context .These verses are being spoken to Believers. The peope Paul is talking about are not Believers. Notice he says “THoSE” that do such things.He is talking about an entirely different group of people—-people who have not put their faith in Christ alone to save them.As we should all know by now, Jesus has promised to not deny ANYBODY who comes to Him in Repentance towards God and faith in himself. Furthermore,the very next chapter discusses the way we are to treat fellow Believers that have been overtaken in sin.They are habitual sinners, caught up in the very sins that Paul just discussed.He makes no mention of their losing their Salvation. They are merely to be gently restored with kindness and compassion by the ones that that discovered their short- fallings. Especially seeing as to how the person doing the restoring may well be the one who is guilty the next time. Wise students should take the trouble to see WHO is being talked about and the CONTEXT of the verse.That keeps us from taking one verse and using it to form a doctrine that violates hundreds of clear verses that can not be debated by those with serious minds.

We all have the potential to be the best or the worst.......” There, but for the Grace of God, Go I”

Yes, Christians are saved solely by faith in Jesus Christ and not by the good works of the Law, ....... but once saved, please notice the “ yes.....but” The eternal refrain of the Legalists/ Judaizer......there are a few variations, but it’s basically “Why Yes! Of course Jesus saves! B U T........( insert your pet work here) It’s like Dr.Phil says, you make a statement and then add “ but” to say what you REALLY mean.Here is what I truly mean—— ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED.......no “ buts” attached.

The Book Of James states that the demons believe in ONE god.......not” believe in god”...... big difference . In an age where some cultures had established thousands of gods.......those James was addressing those who though they were hot stuff because they were monotheistic. James was kinda saying” nice work, guys .....you have done well—— but no cigar.”

Barney, where ever he dwells today ,will be happy to know that his last name was spelled correctly .He was quite prickly about that......lol

God wants trust.Had God created robots without the freedom to choose right from wrong, trust would have been impossible.God had to grant freedom. He valued this freedom so much that He was willing to risk sin- knowing full well that HE would have to be the one to pay the price for that sin.He did not have to.He did however. It was done to restore the broken relationship with the creation He so loved .We are to love Him because “ He loved us first”.It gives God pleasure to give US pleasure—— He does have something very big planned for us, His children.Paul saw what was awaiting us.....he did not have the words to describe it.Hope to see you there!

Jesus died for every sin ever committed.It will not do anybody any good unless they “ cash in” on what they have been given freely.In this present Age of Grace in which we live, we cash in by simply believing Paul’s Gospel , given to him by Jesus.If one is interested in Salvation , Check out 1cor15:1-4 and dont add any of your good works to it, lest you nullify it.When you stand before your Maker, He will ask you.....” what did you do with my Gospel?” Be prepared .

We do not HAVE to show mercy.If you have been “ born again” and have the Holy Spirit in you, you WILL show mercy.If one sees “ the Horror” of who he really is before Salvation,when you actually live out the mercy God has shown towards a wretched worm like yourself, mercy just kinda flows out of you naturally... “ know thyself” this is where True Christianity begins.

Geesh, Butero.....give me some time.....I DO have a life outside of Worthy.I am getting way behind and am a bit overwhelmed . Have pity on a poor old one- fingered typist. I can refute anything you bring up . But why? You do not respond to my posts either.Where is your answer to Jesus said nothing in the future could cause Him to lose you? I have already answered most of you inquiries in the past. I try to go through your stuff and glean out of it something that could be answered that will benefit those that have not yet been ruined by adding Law to Grace.I would use the word “ legalism” but we have been informed that the word doesn’t exist.Yeah, right. So please do not confuse slow or non- existent responses to be a sign of failure to refute your false allegations.Sometimes it gets boring shooting fish in a barrel and on top of my many others sins , at times I am just lazy.

I was not aware of the actual canon of the catholic beliefs until a few months ago.....like Justification by faith should be anathema.....and on and on..... my jaw dropped to the floor....it is straight from Hell.....nobody cares....

I hope Newbies will find peace of mind, instead of letting one misunderstood verse of Hebrews guide their entire thinking.When error is you foundation, it not a surprise when all that follows is madness.

Dont care about Calvin.......predestination and election discussions, to me are like discussions about the Trinity......Nobody this side of Heaven is ever going to understand it.

May God forgive me......sometimes I just can’t help myself...... btw.....if you don’t see yourself as a “ filthy sinner” too, something is wrong with your self evaluation Go back and read what George posted about Jonathan Edwards take on being “Born Again” . Not saying you haven’t been......but you do strike me as one who has LIVED the 5 steps

Put on your thinking cap......everything you accuse me of......you do the same

Butero, my worthy foe......your FIRST paragraph reveals you don’t read anything I say! How many times must I tell you that obedience to Gods Laws are not —- I repeat—— ARE NOT LEGALISM......I try to be as obedient as I can be all the time! I have no desire to commit any “ Willfull sins” and if the desire WAS there I would t have the stupidity or the guts to perform it.Repentance of such sins never saved me and it won’t keep me saved. That is all I am saying.FEAR willfully sinning but not because it will send you to Hell.A disobedient Son is still a Son.......He will be saved and stand before Jesus with many bruises on his rear- end.Faith in the Gospel was what saved him- Jesus promised it.My sins do not affect the Holiest Thing In this universe —The Shed Blood Of God’s Sacrifice sprinkled on the Mercy Seat in Heaven.Pleasing enough to God to cover ALL sins ever committed.If you have “ cashed in” on what Christ provided for FREE,you are safe as long as that Blood is there as a constant reminder as to the Price that was payed.One should not diminish its value.Willfull sins do not faze the POWER of that BLood.Dont promote a “ weak” Gospel that contains “ weak” Blood.

“ never any statements to support either claim” huh? I may disagree with the man I am debating, but Butero does his best to support his claim, as do I.That is why I don’t care if this thread goes on forever..... newbies deserve to see both side of this ages- Old argument and make their own minds up.In time, the audience will see that Butero is wrong about everything he ever thought about and of course, BB knows everything and has known everything since his youth.......that last line was a little exaggerated, perhaps.....lol. Wait a minute....I have been burned by such statements in the past , so let me make it clear.....THAT LAST LINE WAS A JOKE !!

I dont know about all of that stuff.....here is what I accuse you of—— adding to the Gospel of 1cor15:1-4 with your doctrine “ Jesus Saves, BUT only I’d your repentance slate is clean.Simple as that .One is saved by Grace alone , with faith alone , through Christ alone.Works cancels Grace and Grace was the very thing that saved you.Why would anyone want to do that?

Pray that one does not have a sudden heart attack before he gets the chance to repent .If the sinner is LUCKY , He will get the time .If something grabbed his attention away before he repented he was UNLUCKY and is bound for Hell....., hence the term “Lucky Repentance” . You invented it, you preach it...... you need to OWN it.

Please connect me with ONE person on this planet that shares your views .....just ONE.How did you come to your exclusive views on this Gentile/ formal Gentile mush?I have listened to hundreds of preachers over the years and NEVER have I heard your unique take.Why did all the great preachers of the past miss this?Do you have a private pipe- line to God that you would be willing to share?

A “ dead work” is any work done to GET Salvation or to KEEP Salvation.Doing a good work this side of Salvation in order to build up treasure in Heaven is what we concentrate on.

“....... neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the FUTURE.......nor ANYTHING ELSE in ALL creation will be able to separate us........” Modern day Judaizers weasel out of these Verses by saying Jesus won’t let go of us, but we can let go of Him. If a person is saved, held secure in the Hand Of Christ, firmly in His grip when he was first saved..... if that person changed his mind and tried to leave Christ’s Hand, that would be a FUTURE event......covered. “ANYTHING ELSE in CREATION would cover that also......a child could see it

Challenge all you like .....people can think whatever they like.....wise readers will know I am not lying about these things.....I’ve done my research—- now you do yours.The 613 Laws are common knowledge and the verses Ruckman vouched for about OSAS you are free to believe or dismiss.I disagree with many of your preachers , but I will credit them for not being liars.Ruckman is not a lying man of God. I am not here to change the minds of anyone.I am here to point out to Newbies that Christianity is the opposite of religion, saying anything beyond “ Jesus Saves” such as “ Jesus Saves B U T ......” is adding to the simple Gospel of Grace,resting in the finished work of the Cross is what God wants for His Children and Salvation can not be lost because of John3:16 and 399 other clear verses, give or take a verse or two .I just put the Truth of the Gospel out there. Those with “ eyes to see” will get it . Others won’t.NOTHING BUT THE BLOOD for salvation.Obedience to all of God’s Laws are great.Wise Believers will be like me.....no desire to sin, I would not commit a willfull sin if you put a gun to my head and if I did I would automatically, immediately repent of it . All of these things are pleasing to God and make my Christian testimony more valid, they just don’t save or keep you saved— faith in the Shed Blood and that ONLY accomplished that. Stll stuck in this body of flesh , I will mess up as God works in my heart to transform me into the image of His Son. God will chastise me as He sees fit, and His Grace is sufficient to get me HOME. That word “ grace” ? You never see it mentioned by modern- day Judaizers.I find that odd. “By GRACE you are saved......” Grace saved everybody that was ever saved and they know nothing about it. They don’t trust it and they are scared of it. Grace is “ unmerited favor”. We do not deserve it . We can’t earn it. “ Lucky Repentance” trumps Grace according to some....of course they would never admit it, but their actions speak so loudly I can’t hear what they say.God bless .

The only performance I have is the one that counts..... God working through me, from the inside out......that would be foreign to a Legalists......The Judaizer thinks his performance, especially his repentance record, is keeping him saved, assuming they were saved in the first place..... I don’t know if the person knows God or not, so I can’t really say.One thing that I DO know is anything done to keep yourself saved is a “dead work” My Faith works will be rewarded at the Bema Seat. Dead workers sometimes get the praise of men here on earth and that is all that they get. Dr.Peter Ruckman, a Bible genius and true man of Faith made the remark about 400 verses that unarguably support OSAS and 200 verses that “ appear” upon a cursory glance, seem to support OSAS.All of the 200 That “appear” to support that salvation can be lost are either taken out of context or are not talking to the Body of Christ.Ruckman was not a liar.....if he said it you can take it to the bank. Their are 613 commandments given to the Jews in the OT......that comes from Jewish Rabbis.I’ve heard a dozen preachers use that number, including Charles Stanley and Zola Levitt.Nobody makes a big deal about it or disputes it—— the actual number could have been 612 or 614. As usual, the gist of this goes right over your head. The number is not important. The number is used to show that there was much more to The Law than just the 10 commandments.Go thru the OT and count out your own number if you know better than the Rabbis.Its Of no importance unless one is a Legalists ( oops! Forgot to pretend that word does not exist.Ha! They wish!) The Laws ,whether they be 10 or 10,000, were given for one main reason—- to “ shut up our mouths” and show us we can’t keep them.The Law was likened to a slave exclusively used to take a child by the hand and take him to school.The Law, if properly understood takes us by the hand figuratively and leads us to our Savior.After that we strive to obey the Law because if we are obedient God will bless our Christian walk.Disobedience will result in a bruised rear- end, God doesnt care to spank you all the way Home if you want to be a fool and disobey ....especially willfully sinning.THAT will get you a GIANT butt whipping.Bruised because of a foolish, disobedient life after Salvation.God may even kill you so as not to be mocked.If you are a Believer in the Blood alone for Salvation, you are still saved.....God will still carry out His Promise to save—- due to your FAITH—NOT your pitiful performance.

IRONY ALERT!!!!! Attention all “ BUT” men! To war! This guy is preaching a Gospel of Grace! Hurry and get in here to set him straight.......Sure, we ALL know that Jesus died for our sins, but once you know THAT......you gotta ( insert your favorite work here) The big qualifier in these forums is Jesus Saves BUT you will go to Hell if you die with an unrepentant sin on your record. I must admit that I too have a qualifier.....don’t try to apply Grace to your sins if you have not had a heart transplant......read about that transplant right here——- The first stage is the awareness of the horror of being eternally lost. The second stage is the attempt to stop sinning to remove guilt. The person tries to save himself any way he can, and comes to the futile realization that he cannot save himself. The third stage is the realization that the seeker cannot save himself that only God can save him from his sin. The fourth stage is the conviction that God is just in His judgment. God is just in his condemnation of sin and the penalty of his sin. The seeker comes to the place where he realizes that God does not have to save him and finds himself utterly at the mercy of God. The fifth stage when the seeker becomes to have an affection for God and the Holy Spirit pours out upon the seeker the gift of salvation and fills his heart with the joy of knowing the seeker is truly saved. Saving faith will fill a person so deeply that His and life are forever changed. The new believer is so filled with love, that the believer can't wait to be in the arms of His savior. And its this love that permeates his being and has a love that passes human understanding, even love that has the ability to love his enemies.