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    I enjoy travel, especially by motorcycle. I read a lot of history. I am fascinated by computers, networking, and other tech.
    I attend a Baptist church regularly and teach Sunday School.

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  1. JoeChan82

    144.000 Thousand and Gods focus on Israel.

    Nice dodge, but the burden of proof rests with you.
  2. JoeChan82

    144.000 Thousand and Gods focus on Israel.

    The Bible says nothing about the assumption of Mary. Nothing for it. Nothing against it. So arguing from a position of silence is pointless.
  3. JoeChan82

    144.000 Thousand and Gods focus on Israel.

    Make no mistake, I believe the trinity. What I don't believe is making Mary the Queen of Heaven by saying that Christ is God and therefore Mary is the mother of God. That is the semantics to which I referred.
  4. JoeChan82

    144.000 Thousand and Gods focus on Israel.

    Now you are playing at semantics. You cannot explain nor define the trinity. If that is your basis for defending the assumption of Mary, you will persuade no one here.
  5. JoeChan82

    144.000 Thousand and Gods focus on Israel.

    If you want to see an example of the old and the new covenants being unified by Christ, study the book of Ruth. In the book of Ruth you have a Jewish and a Gentile bride, namely Naomi and Ruth. Both are redeemed by the child born in Bethlehem Judah. That child is the kinsman redeemer. Ruth 4:13-22 ¶ So Boaz took Ruth, and she was his wife: and when he went in unto her, the LORD gave her conception, and she bare a son. 14 And the women said unto Naomi, Blessed be the LORD, which hath not left thee this day without a kinsman, that his name may be famous in Israel. 15 And he shall be unto thee a restorer of thy life, and a nourisher of thine old age: for thy daughter in law, which loveth thee, which is better to thee than seven sons, hath born him. 16 And Naomi took the child, and laid it in her bosom, and became nurse unto it.
  6. I could not have said it better myself. Especially when we see that some future events are specifically sealed. Who knows exactly what those seven thunders said and what effect they might have concerning timings and events. Revelation 10:4 And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.
  7. JoeChan82

    When Wrath Begins

    I have never considered using the examples you provided as an argument for a sequential unfolding of the seals/trumpets/vials, but I love it. After all, it is the literal fulfillment of past prophecies that lends credence for the literal fulfillment of future prophecies. In like fashion the three holy convocations outlined in the Law with their respective feasts (eg. Passover/Feast of unleavened bread) surely have their past fulfillments in Christ as our Passover and First fruits/Feast of Weeks was fulfilled at Pentecost. When I look at the Fall feasts; tabernacles, trumpets, Day of Atonement, Jubilee etc. I see these as still future.
  8. JoeChan82

    1260, 1290 1335 days of Daniel

    It seems that the KJV translated the same as Wycliff, except that Wycliff included the euentid (evening) and morewtid (morning) and then used the word "daies" (days). Plus it is really fun to read! Bottom line is that I am satisfied that either way it is translated, it means a day. This is important to defend against the Day/Age Theory of creation, that's why I got into the evening and the morning thing to begin with. (Not trying to open a whole new debate here with creation!) Daniel 8:14 And he seide to hym, Til to the euentid and morewtid, two thousynde daies and thre hundrid; and the seyntuarie schal be clensid.
  9. JoeChan82

    When Wrath Begins

    Excellent point. I think that the fact that this verse being written in Revelation 16 is another good argument against the pretribulation rapture theory. I used this verse in an other topic and it was explained away as only a pre-tribber can.
  10. JoeChan82

    When Wrath Begins

    So all that was overkill I guess. And here I thought I had killed the big one for you. 😁 Determining the markers is a tough but critical topic. When it comes to precise timings in Revelation it gets real foggy to me.
  11. JoeChan82

    1260, 1290 1335 days of Daniel

    בֹּקֶר bôqer, bo'-ker - properly, dawn (as the break of day); generally, morning: It's the same Hebrew word rendered "and the morning" in creation. A different word is used for "And the evening" in Gen 1:5 etc. When the phrase "and the evening and the morning" is used it means one day. The Jews count their days starting in the evening. Anyway, that's how I see it.
  12. JoeChan82

    1260, 1290 1335 days of Daniel

    Daniel heard one saint ask another saint how long the temple would be desolate. He answered 2,300 days (Daniel 8:13-14). The saints are given into the antichrist’s hand for 1,260 days (3½ years), but the desolation continues 1,040 days past that. This setting up of the image (the abomination of desolation) also starts the clock ticking for the 2,300 days (Daniel 8:14) that the temple will be desolate. That overruns the 3½-year (1,260- day) Great Tribulation by 1,040 days. I copied and pasted this from Kent Hovind's book.
  13. 1 Thessalonians 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, How about if I phrase the question like this; Is 1Thess 4:9 only for the Church or does this verse apply to all believers regardless of the dispensation (i.e. age of law, age of grace, tribulation period, or millennium) that they were born in?
  14. JoeChan82

    When Wrath Begins

    Hey Brother Duke, I looked at the references to the earthquakes you mentioned. I'm afraid that a lot goes into that question that I do not understand. The timing of these earthquakes is difficult. Matt 24 seems to be mentioning to a bunch of earthquakes that will occur near the end and not a specific one, so I don't think these quakes are the ones in Revelation. Matt24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. 8 All these are the beginning of sorrows. In Revelation, I see an earthquake during the 6th seal (Rev 6:12-17), during the 7th seal (Rev 8:1-6), at the resurrection of the 2 witnesses (Rev 11:11-13), during the 7th trumpet (Rev 11:18-19), and at the 7th vial (Rev 16:17-21). Some people see the 7 seals, the 7 trumpets, and the 7 vials operating concurrently. They might see some of these earthquakes as the same event with different details in their respective descriptions. I am still of the opinion that the 3 sets of 7 judgements as sequential. My view is not without its own difficulties, but the differences in the descriptions of the earthquakes are enough for me to doubt that they are the same event, but look at the similarities in these passages. Matthew 24:29-31 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Revelation 6:12-17 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. 15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; 16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand? Here are the various descriptions of the rest of the earthquakes in Revelation: Revelation 8:5-6 During the 7th seal; no description given. … and an earthquake. 6 And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound. Revelation 11:11-13 During the resurrection of the 2 witnesses; 13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: Revelation 11:18-19 During the 7th trumpet; … and an earthquake, and great hail. Revelation 16:17-21 During the 7th vial … and. there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. 19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath. 20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found. 21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.
  15. JoeChan82

    When Wrath Begins

    Thanks. I have no problem with your explanation here. I'm glad you took the time to elaborate.
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