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Did you not read my post that you responded to prior to your last response? I copy pasted it again below. And Yes, in my post I do make a distinction between the Great Tribulation and the Day of God's Wrath on the beasts worshippers. It was detailed in the post below. First killed during the tribulation and harvested are the righteous. Second killed, is when God's Wrath is enacted upon the beasts worshippers, and are harvested later. Revelation 13:10 ; 14:12; where the saints endure and are killed during the reign of the beast indicates their experiencing tribulation. Likewise, the first reaping of the earth in Revelation 14:13-16, are the righteous, after experiencing this tribulation, while the 2nd reaping of the earth in Revelation 14:17-20 are the unrighteous who experience the wrath of God (Revelation 14:19). Revelation 13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints. Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. Revelation 14:19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.
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Hey Charlie744 are you playing games by claiming you never brought in the Olivet discourse? In RED below is a copy of your post. I don’t see why the Olivet discourse demands these events are “end times.” God has been quite specific in His use of symbols, timing and the literal events in Daniel.
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Alexander the Great has nothing to do with the end times described by the angel Gabriel in Daniel 8:17 & 19.
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I believe the saints who are harvested, are those who are killed prior to and during the beasts reign, during the tribulation.
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By saying the events in Daniel 8 and the Olivet discourse occur from 606 BC to approximately 500 AD; denies the Lords Word in Daniel 8:17 & 19, and the Olivet discourse, which declare these events during the end times.
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I believe the Word of God when He says that all the events in the Olivet discourse will transpire within a single generation, and that after which comes the end. If you wish to believe otherwise, I will not argue with you.
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I did not state the four seceded horns as being four metaphorical kingdoms. If the little horn rises from one of the four seceded horns of the notable horn of the he goat, and this little horn (the AoD), is the same little horn who is the 10 horned fourth beasts mouth speaking of great things in Daniel 7; we then realize that until the he goats notable horn secedes into four horns of power; that the fourth beast is currently comprised having only 7 horns. These 7 horns of power today, I believe correspond with the 7 heads of the beast, but who when the notable horn secedes into four horns, will not be allowed an additional 3 heads at their table.
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If you acknowledge that the visions shown Daniel in chapter 8, are during these end times as indicated by Gabriel; all kingdoms and events and the little horn (the AoD), would then have to take place within a single generation. This is the same generation who will see all events described in the Olivet discourse before the end comes.
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Why did the Lord use the metaphors of a he goat for Greece, and a ram for Media and Persia, when He shortly thereafter identified these?--for nations during these end times.
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Charlie744, While Daniel 8:21, indicates the he-goats notable horn as the first king of Greece; when taken in conjunction that according to the angel in Daniel 8: 17 & 19, Greece is a kingdom that will traverse the whole world from the west without touching the ground to annihilate Media and Persia during the end times; we then realize Greece being a metaphor for a kingdom from the across the globe that did not exist in Daniels time, but that would have similar characteristics to 6th century BC Greece, being the most notably technologically advanced nation for its time. Daniel 8:21 And the rough goat is the king of Grecia: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king. Daniel 8:17 So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end shall be the vision. And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation: for at the time appointed the end shall be.
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I see things somewhat similarly with you Jonathan Dane. In Daniel 8:5-7, we see the he goat with its notable horn who traverses the whole earth from the West without touching the ground (utilizing its air force) to annihilate Media and Persia (Iraq and Iran), during these end times (Daniel 8:17 & 19-20). After conquering Media and Persia, the he goats notable horn secedes into four horns (national powers). So yes, things are going to change geopolitically, once Persia/Iran is annihilated by the he goats notable horn (military air force).
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The abomination who brings about desolations in Daniel 9:27, is the same little horn in Daniel 7 & 8 & 11, who brings about desolations. This individual (the abomination/transgression of desolation), the Lord also speaks of in the Olivet discourse, that when he appears in Jerusalem, the saints throughout the world will have already been experiencing great tribulation, even being put to death. If you then realize that the abomination of desolation, who is the little horn, is associated with the beast who will be allowed to reign for forty two months (3.5 times), (in both Daniel 7 and Revelation 13);---the time then preceding these final forty two months in which the saints are experiencing great tribulation and death, would have to represent an additional period of time prior to the final forty two months. Daniel 8:13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?
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I think everyone hears Gods voice; it is the one that is not proud. It is therefore rejected by most people, in favor for the proud loud voice from the other side.
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If you believe in God, you then believe in Love, as God is love (1 John 4:8 & 16). In Matthew 25: 31-40, when the Lord returns and separates His sheep from the goats; many of His sheep will not have recognized that their faith in love for others, is what constitutes true faith in Christ. On the other hand, we see in Matthew 7:21-23, many individuals who proclaim having done many good works, to whom the Lord will proclaim never having known them. This would be the same as saying these individuals never having known love for others, as the Lord is love. I therefore see the individuals in Matthew 25:34-40, who did good works for others, did so for the love from their hearts, while the individuals works in Matthew 7:21-23, did so for ulterior motives, other than love for their neighbor. So while love for others does manifest itself as works; it is not necessarily the works themselves one does for others, but what is in your heart when doing whatever you do.
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Revelation 13:10 ; 14:12; where the saints endure and are killed during the reign of the beast indicates their experiencing tribulation. Likewise, the first reaping of the earth in Revelation 14:13-16, are the righteous, after experiencing this tribulation, while the 2nd reaping of the earth in Revelation 14:17-20 are the unrighteous who experience the wrath of God (Revelation 14:19). Revelation 13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints. Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. Revelation 14:19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.
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Metaphors Keras, Yes, the mountains shall be molten, when the Lord cometh out of his place, and comes down to tread upon the high places of the earth (Micah 1:3-4). BUT--Mountains in the bible more often than not, are a metaphor for large powerful nations. As such, the high places of the earth the Lord will tread upon are the powerful large nations (unjust policies) that are becoming increasingly unjust. The mountains (large powerful nations), unjust policies shall thereby melt (fall apart) when the Lord commences His treading upon the high places of the earth. This time is also referred to as The Day of the Lord, and is more than a 24 hour period (another metaphor for day). In addition to the mountains (large nations) upon whose unjust ways the Lord shall tread upon, so too shall the Lord shall contend with the hills (small nations), and all proud nations during the day of the Lord (Isaiah 2:12-14). Micah 1:3 For, behold, the Lord cometh forth out of his place, and will come down, and tread upon the high places of the earth. 4 And the mountains shall be molten under him, and the valleys shall be cleft, as wax before the fire, and as the waters that are poured down a steep place. Isaiah 2:12 For the day of the Lord of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low:13 And upon all the cedars of Lebanon, that are high and lifted up, and upon all the oaks of Bashan, 14 And upon all the high mountains, and upon all the hills that are lifted up,
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The WEF, and the worlds governments are very aware of the dire situations throughout the world, and so are being led to the first steps in initiating the beasts financial system.
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We have yet to see the beasts economic policies in full swing. We see from the OP, however, how consumerism has increased substantially throughout the world since 1980. In regards to when we will see the beasts policies come into play; we have to take into account scriptures describing preceding events. According to the Olivet discourse, the world will be experiencing the worst of economic times, where the faithful are being persecuted and killed throughout the world. I think this economic disastrous time represents the first 3.5 times, prior to when the beasts policies (for the final 3.5 times) are initiated throughout the world. We are currently very close to the first 3.5 times. I say this because of news coming from many areas of the world. China is on the verge of economic collapse, with much of their society unemployed. It is also not much better in Germany, and Great Britain. You need to go to Youtube, however, to see what is going on abroad, as mainstream media appears to be keeping pretty much silent on these issues.
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Good morning Tatwo, The curse that goes over the whole earth in Zechariah 5:3 are the beasts economic policies that will reign over the whole world for forty-two months. This global curse/policies of the beast appear also in Isaiah 24:6, and describe the earths environment in tatters because of it. Good News is, it will fall never to rise again, following the beasts 42 month reign (Isaiah 24:20). Zechariah 5:3 Then said he unto me, This is the curse that goeth forth over the face of the whole earth: for every one that stealeth shall be cut off as on this side according to it; and every one that sweareth shall be cut off as on that side according to it. Isaiah 24:6 Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left. Isaiah 24:20 The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.
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antichrist Is the Man of Sin returning to POWER?
luigi replied to Jonathan Dane's topic in Eschatology
Besides the Antichrists primary characteristic being opposite the Lords character of loving your fellow man, here are a few more characteristics about the Antichrist (aka, the man of sin/lawlessness; the little horn; the mouth speaking great things; the false prophet). He has eyes like those of men, and therefore relates with people by seeing things the way most people do, and speaks of how great things are going to be under his command. (Daniel 7:8; 11; 20; 25) He is fatter than those around him (Daniel 7:20). He casts truth to the ground and stomps all over the illumination of Gods angels (Daniel 8:10 & 12; 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12). As such, he a pathological liar so as to speak of the great things he will perform that are contrary to God; and as such he is a false prophet (Revelation 16:13; 19:20; 20:10). He magnifies himself, and loves to see himself on the level of God (Daniel 8:11,25; 11:36-37; 2Thessalonians 2:4). As such, he is a massive narcissist.- 88 replies
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The Lord provides examples of who are true Christians and those who aren't. In Matthew 7:21-23, the Lord describes a group of individuals who thought they were true Christians, to whom the Lord replies--his never having known them. True Christians you will know by their fruits (Matthew 7:20). Matthew 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
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If you notice in the verse (Zechariah 5:8), the woman is sealed in the ephah, until the land of Shinar is prepared for her, to be set on her own base (Zechariah 5:11). It is therefore describing a future event. Then, combine this data with the previous chapter in Zechariah 4:11 where we see the two olive trees, who are also the two olive trees (the two witnesses) in Revelation 11:4, which occurs when the beasts 42 month reign is ensuing;-- the woman-wickedness in Zechariah 5 can then be realized being the great harlot, Babylon the Great. Zechariah 5:8 And he said, This is wickedness. And he cast it into the midst of the ephah; and he cast the weight of lead upon the mouth thereof. Zechariah 5:11 And he said unto me, To build it an house in the land of Shinar: and it shall be established, and set there upon her own base. Zechariah 4:11 Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof? Revelation 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
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The two witnesses in Revelation 11, also appear in Zechariah 4, while the curse that goes over the face of the whole world (Zechariah 5:3), the beasts system is in power. Zechariah 5:3 Then said he unto me, This is the curse that goeth forth over the face of the whole earth: for every one that stealeth shall be cut off as on this side according to it; and every one that sweareth shall be cut off as on that side according to it.
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Babylon the Great of Revelation 17 is the same Harlot. I don't see anywhere differentiating the two. By the way, I also see Babylon the Great/Harlot described in Zechariah 5:7-8, which is the curse that goes over the face of the whole earth (Zechariah 5:3). And if you backtrack to Zechariah 4 where the two witnesses in Revelation 11 are; it then appears Babylon the Greats greater wickedness is occurring when the 42 months of the beast is in power. Zechariah 5:7 And, behold, there was lifted up a talent of lead: and this is a woman that sitteth in the midst of the ephah. 8 And he said, This is wickedness. And he cast it into the midst of the ephah; and he cast the weight of lead upon the mouth thereof. Zechariah 5:3 Then said he unto me, This is the curse that goeth forth over the face of the whole earth: for every one that stealeth shall be cut off as on this side according to it; and every one that sweareth shall be cut off as on that side according to it.
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In my opinion, it's NYC, where the economic ruler of the world is, Wall Street.
