Openly Curious

The passage of scripture is reflecting upon the fact that no matter where David is at at any given time and no matter where that place may be that God in fact is surely there with him. There is no place that we can go in this life where God is not there. If you refute this truth it is you that is in error not me.

King James Version Psalms 139:7-12 - Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence?... If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: If I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.... If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea;.... Even there shall thy hand lead me, and thy right hand shall hold me.... If I say, Surely the darkness shall cover me; even the night shall be light about me.... Yea, the darkness hideth not from thee; but the night shineth as the day: the darkness and the light are both alike to thee....

David said this in Psalms 139:7-12

God presence exist every where in time and outside time. David said that if he made his bed in hell that God would be there. God's presence exist every place there is. God tells us in Ephesians that he knows what we have need of before we even think or ask it. God has foreknowledge of all things before they happen it's our faith in prayer that touches the heart of God It really doesn't matter about God setting things in motion ahead of time because God exists and is every where. If we have a good conscious (confidence no guilt of sin) when we approach God we can ask what we will and he heareth us in 1 John.

God knows everybodies heart and what they are thinking and meaning but this is what you said quote "that Holy Spirit and all the truth there is is only for the apostles and it would be a mistake to apply it to us individually. Your words you used have meaning attached to them you can't deny the only conclusion one can come to when you are so plain in what your meaning and beliefs are that you've written out for us.

That is what you are saying it is in your words whether you realize what you are saying and teaching or not. You aught to know in scripture where the Holy Spirit was sent to lead the apostle into all truth and the place where it came to pass. Do you have any basis for your own words Was the Holy Spirit sent to lead only the apostle into All truth before or after the resurrection. When did that promise come to pass to only the apostles. After Jesus ascended to heaven did the third person the Holy Spirit come into the earth or not. Do you as an individual have access to the Holy Spirit in today's world or not pretty simple things.

.So again according to you the Holy Spirit was only sent into the world to lead the apostles into ALL Truth and individual believers can't be lead into All Truth by the Comfoter being the Holy Spirit. So just where in scriptures was the Holy Spirit sent to lead only the apostles into All Truth just when did this event occur.

You need to re-read what I said. We have the same gospel as the apostle Paul had back then today do we have all truth No I know through study of the word of many truths that have been revealed to me and are yet to come in the future and it's only through the Holy Spirit I can catch a glimpse of things coming on the face of the earth and the everlasting kingdom that is still yet to come and foretold to us in the word of God. The apostles did not possess all truth as we were only given in part and can only speak in part. But one day the saints will know all even as we are known. If apostles had all truth then why is the day of the Lord and the time of his coming not taught to us in scripture. The apostles don't possess that knowledge do they? You have no balance in the word.

Yes I am very familiar with the scripture. I also know that if we walk in the Spirit we will one day walk right through the pearly gates and "ALL" will be finally known but not in this life. I also know that none not even one of the apostles or prophets had "ALL Truth" given to them. We have only been given the truth in part and we can only foretell and prophesy in the part we have been given revealed to us found in the bible God's Holy Word. Contrary to your belief we need the Holy Spirit the Comforter to reveal that divine revelation called the gospel the bible to us or we want be taught of God. Of course we don't add to the already given words of God we can only interpret and teach what is in the bible we can't do that as believer unless the Holy Spirit guides and teaches that truth. But you say Holy Spirit is only for apostles and we as individuals cannot recieve the promise of Comforter because it's only for the apostles which is not the truth. There is still plenty for me to learn but if I keep following God by faith in this life till death or the coming of the Lord I will be lead into all the everlasting things of God by the Holy Spirit the Comforter. I know who Holy Spirit is and yes the Comforter is the third person of the Godhead. Jesus said if I go not away the Comforter will not come Acts 1 & 2 speaks volumes that Jesus indeed returned back to heaven and sat on the right hand of the Father. And the Holy Spririt the Comforter came to this earth. Sorry but not even the apostles themselves possessed "ALL Truth" You ask "Where did I say it was a "mistake" to apply the Holy Spirit to us individually? That is what you said speaking of Holy Spirit read your own words

What you said has been highlighted in which you said out rightly in your post quote "and God did not tell us He would lead us individually into all truth". That is an outright denial of the Comforter who is the Holy Spirit who leads and guides us into all truth. You also said quote "Jesus's promise that the Holy Spirit would lead into all truth WAS GIVEN TO THE APOSTLES - it is to them that promise was given. And it was given to them collectively. It would be a mistake to apply it to us individually". You say that it is a mistake on the believers part to apply the Holy Spirit to us individually. Because it was not given to us but only given to the apostles. So it stands to reason if the promise of the Holy Spirit was only promised and given to the apostles as you've said then it is a mistake to apply the Holy Spirit to our lives as individuals. Now either the Comforter of the Holy Spirit has come or you don't believe any believer in Christ has any truth revealed to them at any time because the promise of truth the Holy Spirit was only for the apostle If you really believe your words then no believer can ever have part of the Holy Ghost or have truth revealed to them by God through His Spirit. You can't have it both ways

No but the above words are

I have only highlighted them in bold twice now. Have you not been reading your own quotes?

So you are denying what you really said now.

This is pretty clear to me in what SINNERSAVED is referring to and these are the words you did quote thereselittleflower. Do you deny them?

Absolutely we should. It is ridiculous to even think a single human being can possess all the knowledge of God when we only been given the word of God in part and only know in part. The unction we have from the Holy One will keep us from the anti-christ spirit. Which are those among us who have never been born again recieving Jesus Christ as their Savior never confessing Christ that he died was buried and arose the third day. Those among us who do not have this testimony are of the anti-christ spirit. These will go out from among us as they were never of us the born again saints of God. Some like to blow up what we say to an extreme level what one is trying to say. But sometime we got to pop that balloon they created. Bottom line is that it is just plain wise to stay away from strife as much as possible. Do I believe in debate absolutely I do in the spirit of love so that the truth of the gospel will have free course and not be hindered or stopped to the best of the ability as God has given to me. Sometimes we have to be wise as serpents but harmless as doves that is the scriptures even if others don't understand what it means but there are those who do.

Well thanks for clearing that up for me I've learned something knew. I have seen both kinds of rooms before in churches but I don't have kids maybe that why I didn't know they was a difference.

I've never been to a church that didn't have a nursery, a designated place where a mother could nurse her baby, change a diaper, or get an unruly child in order

A cry room I never heard it called that before just a nursery. I agree with you couples shouldn't automatically be directed to the cry room if they've got kids when they enter the church they should be given the option of entering into the sanctuary to worship or enter the cry room by choice not force. Cry rooms are necessary rooms to have in a church.

ZIP not one solitary word would I change. It is Jesus Christ who is speaking to us in these last days and not angels ( Hebrew 1 ). Your so called angel is trying to give you doctrines of demons pure lies perverting and changing the truth into a lie. It seems you have the itching ears to go along and accept totally following and listening to this false spirit. Heaven help us to preserve God's word.

No children in the church - No future for the church. If the pastor wants perfection without reality. Then perhaps he can film at another time of the day or week.

exactly the basic principles is what we should all have in common thus unity in Christ.

We are being seperated by every wind of doctrines that come down the pike. Our unity is not in doctrines as there will always be differences in doctrine. The churches unity comes from knowing who Jesus Christ is and coming to the knowledge of him. That is what we all should have in common and what makes us come together in this unity and not doctrine (Ephesians 4).

Hi alien224, it is equally true that the men are being controlled by the pastors. There has to be a balance as some men have the ministry as husband and father and the time needs to be balanced for ministry in the church and his family. I totally agree with you the same way with the women some have the ministy of being a wife and a mother and time has to be balanced so that all needs get met by the men and women. Sometimes the church leadership can put more on us than we can physically handle and then jugle the family and spouse roles on top of it and work on a public job is a lot and causes burnout. As individuals either men or women it is us not the church leadership that has to decide the best use of our time as we have to have a balance and rest along the way or our families as you've said will be the ones who suffers from the imbalance. I totally agree with you. I thank you for giving your view on the men being controlled by the pastors as they can be manipulated as the women can be and discernment is the key in knowing when this is happening to us and what to do about it when it does or is happening to us personally.

Merry Christmas to you also Lady Kay. Sometimes I have to step back a while myself it is good your smart enough to see your need for a break. In you break or rest I hope you find new strength and confidence in God a clear head to begin again.

Yeah that is what I said and I do understand the good fight we already won the battle before we even go through it but we still have to go through the battle but that is why they call it the good fight of faith because we win the fight. There is no better time than right now to get about the things of God.