Massorite

That's why the days are shorten...for the very elects sake!Yes! There is one who knows for sure. God. I don't believe for a minute that we are going to escape the choice to choose the mark or reject it. I believe that rejecting the mark knowing that you are going to suffer great hardship/tribulation because of that choice is exactly the kind of commitment God is looking for and whether we like it or not Jesus did just that. He knew that if He didn't call down a legend of angels that He was going to suffer. He knew that if He didn't defend Him self that he was going to suffer and die. He knew what was going to happen to Him if He did what His Father expected of Him and He knew that if He let then do as they willed that He was going to suffer great torment.Steven was the very first to die in the name of Jesus and the bible sayS that when Steven looked up into heaven, he could see Jesus standing on the right hand of GOD.What most people don't see here is that the bible says that Jesus was "STANDING" at the right hand of God. There is no place else in the bible where it is written that Jesus was standing at the throne of God. Every place else where throne is mentioned in conection with Jesus He is sitting at the right hand of God. The point here is that Jesus was standing at the right hand of God because when He saw that Stephen was being tormented and dieing in Jesus's name He stood the same way as someone does when they are giving honor to someone else. Jesus honored the fact that Stephen gave his life for Christ. If the early Believers could suffer great tribulation for 250 years so can we suffer for only a few years. We are not appointed to suffer the wrath of God be we should remember that Jesus prayed that God would not take us out of tribulation but that God would give us the ability to endure tribulation. We have an obligation to be as prepared as we can to endire to the end.

Any day you want because God works on every day of the week. The fact of the matter is that the day of worship was changed around 312 AD by Constantine the Great but the bible is quit clear on the subject of worship. "Where there are two or three gathered together in My name, there I am will be in the middle of them" Matthew 18:20. Church is all about worshiping God/Jesus so whether you agree or not on what day one worships. This verse shows that Jesus always honors any gathering with His presents on any day. This person is probably brainwashed and there is nothing that you can say or show him in the same bible that you and he reads that will wake him up to his being deceived by false doctrinal teaching.

The EU is not spicifically name but the discription of the nation that is the EU along with other prophetic scripture is discribed in ch. 17 of the book of Revelation.

Shalom Anita, There are Scriptural grounds for divorce. If your husband is unfaithful (with men OR women), the Scriptures say you are free. Thank you. But the question remains: if I divorce my husband on Scriptural grounds, am I free to get remarried if I so choose??? Not to him, of course, but.... Anita Yes you are free to remarry because the word "free" extends to all your life period. Including as in you are "free"to "remarry" as long as it is within the guide lines of God. I have found the when one has sex before marriage without bringing God into the relationship. Most of those marriages are doomed but when we bring God into the middle of our courtship and marriage and keep Him there divorce is always out of the question unless one or the other leaves their personal relationship with God. I believe that God would rather see us for give adultery instead of divorce but some times the damage is so extensive that divorce is the only option to getting onces life back together.

......... If it is a cult it is not part of the spirit or the body of Christ and usually has false or way out in left field doctrinal teachings. An example would be if a church believed that if you don't believe like they do about Christ or if you don't belong to their church you are going to hell. hmmm.... there are a couple of "mainstream" protestant religions that believe if you don't belong to their church you are going to hell. I've never considered that "cult", but more a bit "holier than thou" and closed minded. Perhaps your right about that. In any case passing judgment about whether or not some one is going to heaven or hell is a sin.

Absolutely not. A church is either a part of the spirit and body of Christ or it is not. The word "cult" speaks of a "system of religious worship or ritual" and use to describe a group or some kind of church that is separated from the main stream and in this case the main stream is Christianity. If it is a cult it is not part of the spirit or the body of Christ and usually has false or way out in left field doctrinal teachings. An example would be if a church believed that if you don't believe like they do about Christ or if you don't belong to their church you are going to hell.

Here is the way to judge whether or not it is wrong to drink or not. If one drink of any kind causes you to feel it even it may only slightly you have had to much. If you feel it even slightly your senses and reaction speed has already been impaired and your judgment has begun to become clouded. That would be a sin as your inhibitions would already be inhibited also. Thereby letting your guard down about committing sin. It is best not to do it at all. That way nothing can sneak up on you. Putting yourself in a compromising situation is never a good idea.

I agree with you on that one wings. Good point about the free will but watch out about the free will stuff. You might wake up a predestinationest.

First of all the desision to sent anyone to heaven or hell is resurved for God only and for us to say that this one or that one is or is not going to heaven is a sin. "You shall not judge". It is not a sin to judge whether or not someone is a stone cold sinner or not nor is it a sin to judge whether someone is wrong or not. But I can tell you that in 1Corinthians 6:9-10 there is a list of those who will not "inherit" the kingdom of God and the word "drunkards" is on the list.

Excellent Answer kari19 ! These prophecies are like the bible codes. One can not tell the future with the bible code and it is only after the fact one can learn that the event is in the bible. Basically they are useless because once the event has already taken place the whole world knows about it.

Have you ever considered that the use of the word "Babylon" could also apply to the EU?

Actually out side of the EU headquarters in Brussels there is a sculpture of a woman riding a bull and she has the bull by the horns. On the Greek 2 euro coin this same woman riding a bull is stamped on the coin. Her name is Europa and the image of the woman riding the beast is the chosen symbol that represents the EU. The EU has twelve stars in her flag and the number twelve in the bible represents "governmental perfection" and the Antichrist will come out of the EU. Mystery Babylon has everything to do with both commerce and the spirit realm. So yes chapter 13 and 17 are speaking about the same Babylon but we must not forget the Catholic church and her influence in the scheme of things to come. If the world is to worship the Antichrist, the Antichrist must destroy the Catholic church. It does get a bit confusing.

Gee, you really go all out to scare the little kiddies don't you? One question, would you dress like Moses as a baby, as the son of the Pharoah's daughter, as a Shepherd, the way he was on the Mount of Olives, before the burning bush...??? I like to go out and buy lots of Halloween candy; then on Halloween night...I give myself a chocolate facial... None of the above. I would dress like Moses the wise Godly man as he appeared coming down from the mountain after spending time with and seeing the backside of God with the tables of stone. It carries a message of "in your face satan" and it really does keep the ungodly away.

When the bible says that "it shall be given into his hands" it means what it says. The antichrist will change the laws of God. I think you may be reading a little bit more into it than is there. Remember what Jesus said. Not one jot or tittle will be removed from the law until all is fulfilled. Once Solana suggested publicly that the EU needs to do away with the six month rotation of the presidents, that's when they began writing the new constitution of Rome, which is a new system of law to govern the entire EU. Cheers! If so please tell me. And please tell me where the bible says that he doesn't get to change the times and laws he will be thinking about changing. I don't think that I am reading to much into what the bible says but I do think that you are making assumtions that can not be scripturally supported. If there is no scripture that says that the antichrist doesn't get to do the things that he will be thinking about. Then we should take what the word of God says at face value. So when the bible says that what the antichrist will be thinking to do was given into his hands that means that what he will be thinking about doing, will happen. And since there is no other scripture that says anything else. The words (given into his hands) shows that God, (who has the powerto do so) will give into the antichrist's hand the power to do what he is thinking to do. No man has ever changed God's laws before, and neither will the little horn. Dictators have always come and gone, but God's word will always remain. Once again I will say that you are right. No man has or will ever change the laws of God. But we are not talking about just a man. We are talking about what the bible calls the god of this world. The antichrist can never change the laws that God gave us to live by but this is the earth, not heaven. And on this earth the antichrist will change the way people see Jesus. The word "times' in that verse is speaking of "history" or our historical record. When he gets here he will claim that the Christ we know was a fake and that he is the real son of God. He will fulfill prophetic scripture just as Christ did including being killed and coming back to life again. Which will cause a great number of believers to change their focus from the real Jesus to the antichrist, thinking that the real Jesus was indeed a fake. By doing so they will worship the antichrist instead of the real Son of God. Thereby changeing just one of the laws of God here on earth in the minds of those so called faithful. What does the law of God say? "You shall have no other God before me" This will be a glodol event not just an isulated pocket or group. In heaeven and in the minds of many here on earth the laws of God will remain the same. My question has never been answered. "Where in the bible does it say that the antichrist will not be able to change the laws of God"? If this question can not be answered using scripture then we have no other choice but to believe what the word of God says when it says that "He shall seek to change times and laws and it shall be given into his hand" he shall be able to do what the word of God says he WILL do. Now my research tells me that the word "laws" is talking about Gods Laws so unless it can be proven otherwise again we have no other choice but to belive what the word of God says. Unless of course we want to call the word of God a lie which is our choice to do if we want to recieve the rewards for doing so.

Actually Saddam started rebuilding Babylon. But I think that the New Babylon spoken of in the Bible is a symbolic word for the E.U. Which started out with just 4 nations in 1954, has grown to 28 nations today and has many more nations who want to join their economic block. They are now growing a military force and outside of their head quarters in Brussels is a statue or sculpture of a woman riding a bull and she has the bull by the horns

Not trying to argue here Massorite, promise..........but in my 50 odd years I have NEVER, EVER heard what you've just stated above. No where in the Bible does it say satan was the music minister, and if the supposed CoC you were going to told you that, then they are a cult. But, they are NOT the CoC I grew up in. No where does it say in the bible that you have to be baptized in order to be saved either, thats like saying the cross wasn't enough. In Ezekiel 28:13 the bible says among other things "the workmanship of your tabrets (drums/timbrel) and of your pipes (trumpet) was prepared IN THEE in the day you were created" Here the word "workmanship" speaks of an occupation or ministry and we know that a ministry is an occupation. You are right in that the bible doesn't use the word "music minister" but we know from scripture that satan was created with the ability to make music and it was his occupation/ministry to make music which means he was created to make music for no one else except God. Since satan was created log before we were. So scarletprayers I would call that a music minister to God. One thing I always do when it comes to the Bible is in depth research on every single word in a verse. It is quit surprising what some English words actually mean in the Hebrew or the Greek. Yes the COC I went to did try to teach me that but they didn't convince me Where ANYWEHRE in the above do you see one word about baptism?????

When you have the Ted Haggard's, the Weeks and Bynums, the White's, doing that which God says not to do, the high profile preachers falling down on the job hard. When nationally known pastors say"the devil made me do it". It is no wonder that the up coming generation says "I don't need that". When the gay agenda is gaining so much ground in our churches, making it a hate crime or calling the word of God hate literature or those who believe it, close minded and condemning. It is no wonder they don't want any part of it. The coming generation has grown up with the gay agenda, evilution, all religions being equal and having worth, sex education as it should not be taught, being taught in our schools. What else can we expect? God used to be a central point in school but since prayer and God was taken out of our schools the church and its influence on the up coming generations has been waning and today it is nose diving. Not to mention the reemergence of Gnosticism, books like Harry Potter and movies like The De vinci Code. I have a 19 year old daughter and all the way through her high school days I had to fight to keep her on the right track where God was concerned. I had to fight to keep her from believing that to be gay is OK, that we didn't evolve from apes or dogs evolved from birds. Today she is in her second year of collage and she still has not seen the need to seek out an intimate relationship with Christ. She goes to a church (Lutheran) that has a pastor who agrees with having openly gay clergy in the church. She knows it is wrong but she doesn't see the significance of the pastors belief. She is in Gods hands now and as much as I would like to force my beliefs into her I know that for me to try that it would push her farther away from me and the church/Christ. As the Spirit of Compromise Rages On I disagree. I think it has more to do with complacency on everyone's part. Its not just the fallen pastors, nor the gay agenda, nor evolution, nor sex education. Its the fact that logic and reason are being applied to our religion which for so long has not been done. With this application of logic and reason and common sense, our youth are beginning to see the cracks in American Christiandom, the flaws and the faults, the unrealistic standards. This is what they dont need. This is what they've had enough of. Im proud of them for being smart. I only hope their hunger for truth does not leave them embittered against the church, but all the more desperate to find absolute truth through the clouded waters of what Christianity is today. Secondly, if you take them for what they are, movies and books like Harry Potter and The De Vinci Code are nothing more than entertainment. They are not tools of the enemy to try to sway people's hearts. Dan Brown has said many times himself that The DeVinci Code is a fictional book, based loosely on conspiracy theories. It is in no way inteded to berate or bring down Christian ideology. Harry Potter started as a childrens novel for the sole purpose of entertaining children. Third, the Supreme Court may have made the final decision on praying and biblical education in k-12 public schools, but even if they did allow it, schools would remain the same. There may be a rise in social clubs centered around Christ, much as in college campuses, but kids will forever remain curious. Evolution is not necessarily taught as fact in schools. It is merely taught as conjecture, as yet another theory to creation. We as christians should not be threatened by our youth's ability to stay open minded. I dont think there is much wrong with teaching sexual education the way it is now. I do believe, however, that the use of pornographic films for "educational purposes" is wrong. I dont think anyone should be forcefully subjected to that. But i do think it's great to teach our youth safety over abstinance, for most of the time abstinance only creates a stronger desire. Considering the rising statistics of unwanted pregnancies, abortion, and std's, i would rather have our youth be taught safety and control over abstinance. Human nature is to question. If someone tells you to abstain, for any reason, religious or not, human nature is to ask why. When no sufficient answer is given, human nature is to learn by experience. This can be seen in alcohol consumption. The rate of alcohol related deaths and crime is dramatically lower in countries like Spain and Greece because alcohol is not near as taboo as it is here. The drinking age is lower, there is less importance put on it, and it isn't a rite of passage into adulthood. It is taught in moderation. First of all there is no being more logical then God and His logic is perfect and it is not about our religion. It is about our integrity and we have shown that we don't practise what we preach as a whole. Our standards are supposed to be fashioned after the standards of Christ who is our example so I am not sure what kind of unrealistic standards you are talking about. I do take movies and books for what they are. Columbine is an example of two youths who read Hitlers book, (My Life) became obsessed with him and killed people because they believed in Christ howling like wild animals while they did it. These guys did what they did for other reasons as well but they were obsessed with Hitler. Karl Marx wrote a book and millions of people died because of what he wrote. Books are also the reason people become atheists, buddhists, Hindus, Muslims, paganism's, new agers satanists and so on. And children's books have just as much influence on the minds of our children the same as any other books of philosophy. Harry Potter is required reading in many schools today and it teaches that black magic/witchcraft is both good and evil. The books also use many satanic symbols that our children would never see until they get to the age at which they can deside for themselves what they want to read. When children who normally have a somewhat short attention span because of there age can not wait until they can get home to read a book and will read it over and over all of the way through none stop if they can there is something wrong with what is happening to them. When we see our children putting on witch's habits and caring wands because they want to be like Harry Potter os one of the other characters in the book we need to be concerned and stop them from reading that which God hates IE Paganism. I bet you don't know that Ms Rowling got started writing the Harry Potter book because she had a vision of the character of Harry Potter. What kind of Housewife suddenly has a vision about a character and writes books that bring her world fame and riches? A housewife who worships satan and I have seen pictures of her wearing a satanic priests robe. The bottom line here is that to read something that has satanic symbolism, paganism, that teaches self power above God's power is a book that God doesn't want us to read because it can influence us just like hanging around to much temptation for to long. And to let your children read the stuff is even worse because they don't know any better and can be influenced or changed by reading such garbage which might effect their decisions as an adult. Garbage in Garbage out. We are not to have anything to do with that which has anything to do with any paganism or satanic worship especially when evil is being portrayed as good like the Harry Potter Books. Complacency! That's right. Thanks to the Harry Potter book some of our children don't know that witchcraft, black magic and satanic symbolism are something to fear and stay away from. I have to go now but I will finish my answer when I come back. Be blessed. Ok now lets tackle the Di Vince code. Dan Brown portrays Christ as a man who got married to a prostitute, had children by her, performed some sort of great deception on all who were present at His crucifiction and lied to us all by living after He somehow faked His death on the cross. Which means that He didn't raise from the grave at all. He simply reappeared after three days. It seems that you just don't get it. Dan Browns book is nothing but unadulterated blasphemy. And he is lying when he says that his book is a fictional book based on loose conspiracy theories. The Opus Die is a real Catholic Order which Mel Gibson belongs to and they were so upset about the way Dan Brown portrayed them they put out publicity in their defence. The Priory of Sion is a real organization and if you research it you will be lead to FreeMasonry which believes in self power and one God with many names like Thor, Allah, Buddha and several more. Dan Brown quotes from the Gospel of Mary which a real Gnostic Gospel, he also uses the Gospel of Philip which is also a Gnostic Gospel. Gnosticism teaches that humans are divine souls that are trapped in a material world that was created by an imperfect spirit who is frequently identified with the Abrahamic God IE Jehovah. He is depicted as the embodiment of evil, imperfect, benevolent as its inadequacy allows and is an unknowable being that embodies good. The bottom line here is that like the author of the Harry Potter books, Dan Brown used real facts mixed up with fabrication and called it fiction. Any thing that speaks out against the deity and authority of Christ as our Lord, Saviour, and Son Of the only living God falls right into the devils workshop of lies. How do these books and movies glorify God? They don't. They do the opposite. When I went to sex Ed. I was in the 8th grade but now elementary school children are taught sex ed. I didn't have any explicit pictures but to day they are just as explicit as porno. They didn't teach us how to use condoms, they didn't teach us how to perform orally or how to have intercourse and they didn't tell us how and where to get an abortion. But they do today. You can look at it any which way you want but taking prayer out of our schools took God and His influence on our children while they are in school out of school. It started a chain reaction that is still reacting today only now the law is taking God out of our country.

When you have the Ted Haggard's, the Weeks and Bynums, the White's, doing that which God says not to do, the high profile preachers falling down on the job hard. When nationally known pastors say"the devil made me do it". It is no wonder that the up coming generation says "I don't need that". When the gay agenda is gaining so much ground in our churches, making it a hate crime or calling the word of God hate literature or those who believe it, close minded and condemning. It is no wonder they don't want any part of it. The coming generation has grown up with the gay agenda, evilution, all religions being equal and having worth, sex education as it should not be taught, being taught in our schools. What else can we expect? God used to be a central point in school but since prayer and God was taken out of our schools the church and its influence on the up coming generations has been waning and today it is nose diving. Not to mention the reemergence of Gnosticism, books like Harry Potter and movies like The De vinci Code. I have a 19 year old daughter and all the way through her high school days I had to fight to keep her on the right track where God was concerned. I had to fight to keep her from believing that to be gay is OK, that we didn't evolve from apes or dogs evolved from birds. Today she is in her second year of collage and she still has not seen the need to seek out an intimate relationship with Christ. She goes to a church (Lutheran) that has a pastor who agrees with having openly gay clergy in the church. She knows it is wrong but she doesn't see the significance of the pastors belief. She is in Gods hands now and as much as I would like to force my beliefs into her I know that for me to try that it would push her farther away from me and the church/Christ. As the Spirit of Compromise Rages On I disagree. I think it has more to do with complacency on everyone's part. Its not just the fallen pastors, nor the gay agenda, nor evolution, nor sex education. Its the fact that logic and reason are being applied to our religion which for so long has not been done. With this application of logic and reason and common sense, our youth are beginning to see the cracks in American Christiandom, the flaws and the faults, the unrealistic standards. This is what they dont need. This is what they've had enough of. Im proud of them for being smart. I only hope their hunger for truth does not leave them embittered against the church, but all the more desperate to find absolute truth through the clouded waters of what Christianity is today. Secondly, if you take them for what they are, movies and books like Harry Potter and The De Vinci Code are nothing more than entertainment. They are not tools of the enemy to try to sway people's hearts. Dan Brown has said many times himself that The DeVinci Code is a fictional book, based loosely on conspiracy theories. It is in no way inteded to berate or bring down Christian ideology. Harry Potter started as a childrens novel for the sole purpose of entertaining children. Third, the Supreme Court may have made the final decision on praying and biblical education in k-12 public schools, but even if they did allow it, schools would remain the same. There may be a rise in social clubs centered around Christ, much as in college campuses, but kids will forever remain curious. Evolution is not necessarily taught as fact in schools. It is merely taught as conjecture, as yet another theory to creation. We as christians should not be threatened by our youth's ability to stay open minded. I dont think there is much wrong with teaching sexual education the way it is now. I do believe, however, that the use of pornographic films for "educational purposes" is wrong. I dont think anyone should be forcefully subjected to that. But i do think it's great to teach our youth safety over abstinance, for most of the time abstinance only creates a stronger desire. Considering the rising statistics of unwanted pregnancies, abortion, and std's, i would rather have our youth be taught safety and control over abstinance. Human nature is to question. If someone tells you to abstain, for any reason, religious or not, human nature is to ask why. When no sufficient answer is given, human nature is to learn by experience. This can be seen in alcohol consumption. The rate of alcohol related deaths and crime is dramatically lower in countries like Spain and Greece because alcohol is not near as taboo as it is here. The drinking age is lower, there is less importance put on it, and it isn't a rite of passage into adulthood. It is taught in moderation. First of all there is no being more logical then God and His logic is perfect and it is not about our religion. It is about our integrity and we have shown that we don't practise what we preach as a whole. Our standards are supposed to be fashioned after the standards of Christ who is our example so I am not sure what kind of unrealistic standards you are talking about. I do take movies and books for what they are. Columbine is an example of two youths who read Hitlers book, (My Life) became obsessed with him and killed people because they believed in Christ howling while they did it. These guys did what they did for other reasons as well but they were obsessed with Hitler. Karl Marx wrote a book and millions of people died because of what he wrote. Books are also the reason people become atheists, buddhists, Hindus, Muslims, paganism's, new agers satanists and so on. And children's books have just as much influence on the minds of our children the same as any other books of philosophy. Harry Potter is required reading in many schools today and it teaches that black magic/witchcraft is both good and evil. The books also use many satanic symbols that our children would never see until they get to the age at which they can deside for themselves what they want to read. When children who normally have a somewhat short attention span because of there age can not wait until they can get home to read a book and will read it over and over all of the way through none stop if they can there is something wrong with what is happening to them. When we see our children putting on witch's habits and caring wands because they want to be like Harry Potter os one of the other characters in the book we need to be concerned and stop them from reading that which God hates IE Paganism. I bet you don't know that Ms Rowling got started writing the Harry Potter book because she had a vision of the character of Harry Potter. What kind of Housewife suddenly has a vision about a character and writes books that bring her world fame and riches? A housewife who worships satan and I have seen pictures of her wearing a satanic priests robe. The bottom line here is that to read something that has satanic symbolism, paganism, that teaches self power above God's power is a book that God doesn't want us to read because it can influence us just like hanging around to much temptation for to long. And to let your children read the stuff is even worse because they don't know any better and can be influenced or changed by reading such garbage which might effect their decisions as an adult. Garbage in Garbage out. We are not to have anything to do with that which has anything to do with any paganism or satanic worship especially when evil is being portrayed as good like the Harry Potter Books. Complacency! That's right. Thanks to the Harry Potter book some of our children don't know that witchcraft, black magic and satanic symbolism are something to fear and stay away from. I have to go now but I will finish my answer when I come back. Be blessed.

Amen and thank you Brother! Very Good Post Me!

And your a Worthy Watchman............................... You are correct wordsower. Any church or individual who believes that all who don't believe what they believe are going to hell is passing judgment on who does and who doesn't go to hell. Which is a judgment reserved only for God and a sin for us to do. That judgment alone is what seperates the COC (not the UCC) from the rest of Christiandom and makes it a cult. Keep On Keepin On wordsower No, this comes straight from scripture. Romans 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. Galatians 1:6-9 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. Tell me, why would anybody who believes the scriptures to teach one way want to fellowship with another church that teaches different or the exact opposite? We are told not to be unequally yoked together with unbelievers and trying to fellowship with another church whose teachings are completely contrary to what you are following will not work. Somebody made the comment of the "color of the carpet". We find in the bible that we are supposed to have the understanding of the scriptures right. If we have the wrong understanding then we have the wrong application. That is why there are so many denominations with varying and contradicting church doctrines. As soon as somebody points to me where musical instruments are to be used in worship in the NT we will change that. It seams that people are more interested in musical instruments (a carnal thing) than making sure that they are worshiping God in spirit and in truth. In Rev. 14:2 we see that there are Harper's harping around the throne of God and they do this 24/7,s. In Rev. 15:2 we see that even God owns harps and He has given them to the resurrected saints to play in worship of Him while standing before His throne. Using musical instruments in the worship of God is not a carnal thing cardcapter. It is a divine thing and it pleases God when He hears them. It doesn't matter if the new testament tells us we should us musical instruments in the worship of God or not. Because it has already been established in the old testament that God wants us to us musical instruments when we worship Him. However it is not a commandment, it is our choice to do it or not. But it seems to me that if we want to please God we will do that which He says pleases Him. The problem is not whether or not the COC uses musical instruments in the worship of God. The problem is why they choose not to use them. The COC believe that because satan was a music minister who became full of pride, tried to take his bosses job, and fell from the grace of God. They also believe that it is a sin to us musical instruments in the worship of God. The fact of the matter is that God created a music minister to minister to Him and since satan has refused to do his God given job, it has fallen to us to do what satan wouldn't. Which means it has fallen to us to do all that satan was supposed to do when we worship God Almighty our Father and Creator. Since the COC refuses to use musical instruments in the worship of God for the reason they have chosen to use. They are rejecting that which pleases their Father and Creator for a reason that is in no way biblically re-enforced. Which among other reasons separates them from the rest of Christendom and establishes them as a cult. Why would anybody want to reject that which God loves?

1. The Garden of Eden was in Iraq 2. Mesopotamia, which is now Iraq, was the cradle of civilization! 3. Noah built the ark in Iraq 4. The Tower of Babel was in Iraq 5. Abraham was from Ur, which is in Southern Iraq ! 6. Isaac's wife Rebekah is from Nahor, which is in Iraq ! 7. Jacob met Rachel in Iraq 8. Jonah preached in Nineveh - which is in Iraq 9. Assyria, which is in Iraq, conquered the ten tribes of Israel 10. Amos cried out in Iraq ! 11 Babylon , which is in Iraq , destroyed Jerusalem 12. Daniel was in the lion's den in Iraq ! 13. The three Hebrew children were in the fire in Iraq (Jesus had been in Iraq also as the fourth person in the Fiery Furnace!) 14. Belshazzar, the King of Babylon saw the "writing on the wall" in Iraq 15. Nebuchadnezzar, King of Babylon, carried the Jews captive into Iraq 16. Ezekiel preached in Iraq .. 17. The wise men were from Iraq .. 18. Peter preached in Iraq 19. The "Empire of Man" described in Revelation is called Babylon , which was a city in Iraq! And you have probably seen this one: Israel is the nation most often mentioned in the Bible. But do you know which nation is second? It is Iraq ! However, that is not the name that is used in the Bible. The names used in the Bible are Babylon , Land of Shinar, and Mesopotamia . The word Mesopotamia means between the two rivers, more exactly between the Tigris And Euphrates Rivers .. The name Iraq , means country with deep roots. Indeed Iraq is a country with deep roots and is a very significant country in the Bible. No other nation, except Israel , has more history and prophecy associated With it than Iraq And also, This is something to think about: Since America is typically represented by an eagle. Saddam should have read up on his Muslim passages... The following verse is from the Koran, (the Islamic Bible) Koran ( 9:11 ) - For it is written that a son of Arabia would awaken a fearsome Eagle. The wrath of the Eagle would be felt throughout the lands of Allah and lo, while some of the people trembled in despair still more rejoiced; for the wrath of the Eagle cleansed the lands of Allah; And there was peace. (Note the verse number!) Hmmmmmmm?!