Divorce Remarriage is it sin ?

[JCISGD]

Hi all, I have started this new thread on the topic of D/R, as some think that all those who are pushing for reform/repentance are saying it is unforgiveable, and that marriages should be broken up.

I am sorry if my veiws offend anyone, it is not my intention to harm, but to be obedient to Ezk 3:18. If anyone is in sin, myself included, it will be harmful to us

even if we are happy in it. I shared these veiws and my evidence with my best friend who i encouraged in ignorance into his remarriage. He knows i am not trying to stumble him and has agreed to think it through. Better to know now than later. I did this under duress trying to resist God and in tears from the responsibility laid on me. Me, unworthy, the least of my brethern and a past checkered more than most.

Let it be known here, that nor i or any sources i point to, have or do state that D/R is unforgiveable, the bible is clear this only belongs to blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. Most state that anyone in this situation should not do anything without the express conviction of the Holy Spirit, and prayer to seek Gods will of what to do next.

So if i the Holy Spirit does not convict any sin, then my opinions remain as they always were, just my opinions.

Firstly let us see why it might be sin.

I believe it that it is sin as i believe divorce is always because of a hard heart. Jesus states this in Math 19:8.

I divorced my wife? ( she was divorced and her husband still living when we met) 14 yrs ago.I did this based on the counsel of several pastors of differing denominations. But i did not have peace and struggled with thoughts i was hardening my heart, but dissmissed them due to i believe false instruction.

Moses gave the people divorce because the people insisted on divorcing, just as they insisted on having a king later on, which God gave them even though it was not his express will. Did Jesus renounce their hard hearts and then go on to sanction it in Math 19:9 ?

I believe it is sin because God joins all lawful marriages, and they are untill death. Math 19:4-6.

Please dont accuse me of saying people must stay in a abusive situations. Seperating for safety or sanity is different from divorce.

I will stop here and see what veiws others express. However i will most likely not respond to debates. Post your veiws and i will post mine. In the case of your words proving me wrong i will be grateful and recant publicly.

[Guest Richard Kroth]

I just wanted to say God bless you. God honors those who honor Him. Contrary to popular belief God would have us to repent of any and all sin reguardless of our "happiness." We should not grieve nor quench the Holy Spirit who's been sent to lead and guide us into all truth just to please another. We need to seek the Scriptures and allow them to have the final authority in any and all situations. Again God bless you.

[OneLight]

I believe it that it is sin as i believe divorce is always because of a hard heart. Jesus states this in Math 19:8.

Moses gave the people divorce because the people insisted on divorcing, just as they insisted on having a king later on, which God gave them even though it was not his express will. Did Jesus renounce their hard hearts and then go on to sanction it in Math 19:9 ?

This is a rather long answer, but I feel that the question merits it. I personally believe that it is better not to remarry, but I speak only for myself. Jesus did tell us that people should not divorce unless for fornication, then gave us guidelines to follow about remarriage. Yet, Jesus first tells us that a married couple are not two, but one in Gods eyes, then He tells us "Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate". Let's look at the scripture you stated.

Matthew 19:3-10 (New King James Version)

The Pharisees also came to Him, testing Him, and saying to Him,

[Angelmiss49]

I believe in divorce when the spouse is an abuser whether the victim is a child or the spouse. That being said, I do not believe in divorce for the sake of divorce.

Angelmiss

[JCISGD]

I can hardly begin to reply to you FoC as you twist so many of my words and then fill pages based on that.

I will not debate you or anyone else here, let our proofs speak for themselves.

I will correct your mistaken assumptions of my own personal life.

I divorced not as you say because of what i now believe and the words of these other men, but 14 yrs ago based on the words of teachers like yourself.

Please read more carefully. I stated that i divorced despite the H/S saying NO, but that teachers such as yourself said YES.

What i am here holding up is what i came across about 3 weeks ago.

I have now been a Christian 18 yrs and divorced after 4 yrs of torment wanting to know what was right. So many said YES, but i see now God was saying it was unforgiveness and a hard heart.

During the last 14 yrs i have wanted to remarry several times and had the opportunity, but each time i went into a torment and was unable to move forward in peace. I see now after all these years that God is not the author of confusion abour D/R but man is.

The teachings of Christ are very plain and you need pages of other peoples thoughts to obscure or get around.

[JCISGD]

Dear friends it all hinges on the use of and the meaning of the word Porneia.

KJV (and i think ASV and 1 other) only ever translates this as fornication.

Modern translations began the use of the words, sexual immorality, unfaithfulness or adultery.

I guess each needs to decide for themselves as even different sources translate it differently.

Divorce was not accepted by the church Protestant or Catholic (which still does not) untill about the 1900`s.

So you can see this is a modern change, and that being in the Last days where we are told love would grow cold.

I will say again if the Holy Spirit does not convict of sin, then there is no problem.

[JCISGD]

I am hoping the moderators will not shut this down as i have no animosity towards you FoC but wish to reply to your misconceptions of my personal affairs.

I dont want this to be a debate between you, but want all to post their testimony and proofs and let the truth stand on its own.

I did not UNjustly put away my wife, as i became a believer 6 mths after my wife had left me and gone into sexual immorality with a number of men. I will not hold myself up as innocent as i had been unfaithful myself.

After 4 yrs of trying to win her back and reconcile, which almost happened untill a new guy showed up, i went forward under the counsel that i COULD divorce as she the unbelieving spouse had departed and stated she did not wish to return.

Thinking that according to 1 Cor 7:15 this freed me to divorce, i did so thinking it would loose me from the bondage of fruitless trying to win her back.

I now see that it was only hardness of heart, as is all divorce. Math 19:8

1 Cor 7:16 goes on to say, how do you know you will not save them ? Can it be anything other than a hard heart would divorce the unbeliever, who does not know God, and therefore we as Gods representative say God does not love you, go to hell.

Even in the case of the unbeliever filing for divorce, is it not still hardness to go on and remarry? giving up on the one who Christ died for.

We who have been forgiven such sins as deserve hell, everyone of us, we are to forgive all and every sin upon the threat of having our salvation made void.

[OneLight]

TChrist tells us only for reason of fornication can one divorce and remarry, otherwise, they are living in an adulteress state.

Im sorry, your post had some good points and all, but this one is entirely inaccurate. There is no 'state' presented in Christs actual words.

The Present Indicative is the ONLY manner in Present tense to show that NO ongoing issue exists. WHY would the writer choose the ONE manner that is the LEAST likely to show an ongoing 'state' when all he had to do was NOT use that ONE form of the word ?

The evidence shows that there is no 'state' of sin in remarriage. "Commits adultery" is simply Jesus telling the Jews that they DO sin against the innocent wife they cast away when they put her out without cause to marry another. Jesus isnt declaring any 'state' of sin afterward.

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[JCISGD]

FoC i was married only once, and i am not here to judge others of the hardness of heart i WAS guilty of, i am here to let my testimony and the words i share lead any who are into repentance and forgiveness, which brings Joy in the mourning.

Sorry if i havnt made myself clearer, but i havnt said anything to mislead on purpose. I have only said i was misled by those who teach that sexual immorality is grounds for divorce, but in hindsight i see that the Holy Spirit was saying otherwise.

To be more correct, i was led astray by my own heart, and the voice of God was shut out by these teachings.

I now 14 yrs later see my sins, both divorce and a hard heart through unforgiveness, and i now have repented and turned away from such things.

It is my duty and good pleasure to warn others, even if i should suffer for it and gain the displeasure of many around me.

[JCISGD]

I did hesitate to use the support of the Catholic Church as i do not hold to the many heretical teachings, but my friend whom i talked of earlier had said as an ex non practising Catholic he always knew they taught no divorce.

I admit i have not researched my claim and have overstepped here. I was relying on the sources i have previously quoted. Dr Mike Gorrie of High Calling Ministries Auckland NZ, esp interview with Dr Jim Birkitt. Also Spirit of Hosea website, specifically the testimony of J M Humphries which i recommend all to read.

I dont know how to do links and perhaps i would have been best to stick to that, but we are in the thick of it now.

Maybe others can give a balanced veiw of the overall church stance, esp from the post dark age till 1900`s