The Trinity

[Guest thankfulone]

other one, I had a brief description when I first put this here, but it was a little confusing, as eric pointed out to me, so I removed it. I got it from the carm website. If you have a definition, feel free to post it. In a short, basic sentence, as far as I can understand, it goes like this:

One God - 3 Persons - Father, Son and Holy Spirit

I have a hard time when people describe God as three persons in one God. I don't think our understanding of the "trinity" is completely accurate. How can we say we believe in one God but them say there are really three people involved? Don't get me wrong, obviously the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are essential to a Christian belief but I don't thinkit is accurate to decribe them as three seperate people. I believe it would be more accurate to say that God is one and that His Spirit and His son are all a part of Him not seperate at all but totally connected. Like our own bodies exist of a body, mind and spirit. No one would say that my body, mind and spirit make up three seperate persons but instead that all of these parts of me are inseperable and make me who I am.

[WayneB]

But this is not the case. Bible says we can understand God by the things he created. Such as man whom he created after his very own image.

Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: </span>

My opinion brother? Respectfully, you took a verse of Scripture out of context and used it to make your conclusion fit. In his letter to the Romans, the Apostle Paul was leading up to making the point that all men are without excuse. The "understanding" he referred to is in relation to the invisible qualities of God, his eternal power and divine nature as the Creator as revealed in HIS creation. There is so much more to GOD and his mysteries are unfathomable.

Do y'all really believe that you can grasp the full nature of I AM? Don't make the mistake the Israelites did. HE resides in every believer. Don't place HIM in a box.

Be Blessed,

Wayne

[whatsitmean]

No one would say that my body, mind and spirit make up three seperate persons but instead that all of these parts of me are inseperable and make me who I am.

Just suppose you had one mind, one spirit, but three bodies. The three of you could be off doing different things on any given day, but your thoughts were always those of a single mind. If anyone met one of you, or spoke to one of you they would be meeting and speaking to all three of you because you have only one mind.

How do you think God lives in every one of us?

[Jedi4Yahweh]

But this is not the case.

[WayneB]

It still applys....meaning that God is understood by the things he created how is this out of context? 

God has revealed himself through his creation.

Once again, the "understanding" Paul referred to is in relation to the invisible qualities of God, his eternal power and divine nature as the Creator as revealed in HIS creation. There is so much more to GOD than HIS creation and HIS mysteries are unfathomable.

I agree. God has revealed HIMSELF through His creation so that we may know HIM and will have NO excuse not to. That does not imply that we know know ALL the mysteries of the Godhead and the full & complete character of I AM. I can accept that my understanding has limits and the more I do, the more I lean on the HOLY SPIRIT to teach me all things.

Regardless, the discussion was over the triune nature of God, which God has revealed to us throughout HIS WORD as the Spirit gives understanding. I believe in the FATHER, SON and HOLY SPIRIT, three distinct but inseparable persons in ONE Godhead.

No need for further debate, though. We are brothers regardless... of that I have no doubt. I would be curious, though, to see if anyone has done a word study and seen how the word "understand" translates from Greek to English. Does it mean completeness as in complete knowledge...nothing left to grasp?

Be Blessed,

Wayne

The Book of Job, Chapters 38, 39, 40 and 41

[BobTriez]

That does not imply that we know know ALL the mysteries of the Godhead and the full & complete character of I AM.

[jamie]

I don't understand how Jesus could be the Father.....

[Jedi4Yahweh]

It still applys....meaning that God is understood by the things he created how is this out of context?

[Jedi4Yahweh]

I don't understand how Jesus could be the Father.....

[WayneB]

I agree there is a simplicity about God and only man and his corrupted worldly knowlege only complicates God and the Gospel.  We think that to understand God and his will for mankind we must have a phd behind our names.  But the bibles says that God has choosen the simple things in life to comfound those that think they are wise.  The bible says the God has revealed himself to babes and hid himself from those that think they are wise.  God resist the proud, arogant and those who think they are wise and reveals himself to those of a humble heart and a humble background.  Thats why you dont see very many people in the Church that consider themselves important and wise.

On this we agree 100%.

"Trust in the Lord", the psalmist wrote, "and lean not on your own understanding." God will make our paths straight and reveal to us the WISDOM of Heaven. I have always been amazed of the many grass roots preachers of the WORD from so long ago who when called, couldn't read a word. In spite of that, they learned quickly and many became effective in their ministries. They are the Gideons of recent times...proof that it is God's work, not ours.

Be Blessed,

Wayne

POSTSCRIPT: Three days an no posts lead me to assume that this discussion is concluded. I closed the thread. Be Blessed saints.

Edited July 28, 2004 by Saved by Grace