Military Service and Self-defense

[Guest LadyC]

your mischaracterization is astounding, guantlet. who here has said they loved violence or bloodshed?

[Believer1997]

For a casual observer - it may be easy to come to that conclusion, given the fact there are so many who have said that torture is necessary and even suggested ways to make it more... effective. It's a terrible thing that happens and I just hope that God protects those of our armed forces who fall in enemy hands. Blessings.

[Rick-Parker]

So I guess I true Christian has no choice but adopt a love of violence and a healthy relationship with bloodshed. Otherwise, he is "lukewarm" and cast out by God. In such an environment, I can see how the thugs and sociopaths would flourish.

If that works for you. No one is forcing you to do anything. Just don't call a cop if you get mugged or a soldier if an "enemy combatant" kills your family. Deal?

[Gauntlet]

your mischaracterization is astounding, guantlet. who here has said they loved violence or bloodshed?

It's all in the subtext.

The Arab world sells its war with the West to its people by filtering its message through the Koran. They appropriate the Koran to service their military agenda. They fight because they're being told that God is on their side. And to be honest, I think the same thing is being done with the Bible in the West. As long as both sides are utterly convinced of their own righteousness, the death and bloodshed will just keep on truckin', eventually destroying us all. That's what the Religious Right has wanted alll along-- the expedience of Armageddon via military means.

[Gauntlet]

So I guess I true Christian has no choice but adopt a love of violence and a healthy relationship with bloodshed. Otherwise, he is "lukewarm" and cast out by God. In such an environment, I can see how the thugs and sociopaths would flourish.

If that works for you. No one is forcing you to do anything. Just don't call a cop if you get mugged or a soldier if an "enemy combatant" kills your family. Deal?

Thank you for illustrating my point.

[tah]

For a casual observer - it may be easy to come to that conclusion, given the fact there are so many who have said that torture is necessary and even suggested ways to make it more... effective. It's a terrible thing that happens and I just hope that God protects those of our armed forces who fall in enemy hands. Blessings.

If our people fall into enemy hands you can bet they will not be worried about whether or not they are scaring them...

Have any of you seen what they do to those they capture?????

Scaring someone does not even fall into the same realm as torture......

Torture is cutting off body parts or scalping or burning or impaling or boiling or any number of atrocious acts of inhumanity ....

Is it a hatred for discipline or correction that drives this mindset of "no harsh treatment ..."

It is crazy to let evil triumph because you don't want to make anyone uncomfortable..

they would kill you in a heartbeat..

if we let the murderers go along their merry way and let them kill all those who are not murderers all that will be left are murderers...

Insane...

I appreciate our police force and our military and thank God for them for they defend me from the violent man as best they can...

And for you who will not defend yourselves... they will save you too.... if they can....

and here is a thought.....

Mar 9:42 And whoever shall offend one of these little ones who believe in Me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged around his neck and he were cast into the sea.

is He talking about drowning here...

[Rick-Parker]

your mischaracterization is astounding, guantlet. who here has said they loved violence or bloodshed?

It's all in the subtext.

That's what the Religious Right has wanted alll along-- the expedience of Armageddon via military means.

That is a ridiculous, ignorant statement. Maybe even hate speech if interpreted through the Left's desired definition.

[Gauntlet]

I am not really affiliated with "the Left." I don't belong to any liberal political organizations. We have a Liberal Party here in Canada, but at present I'm not a party member.

[Guest]

So I guess a true Christian has no choice but adopt a love of violence and a healthy relationship with bloodshed. Otherwise, he is "lukewarm" and cast out by God. In such an environment, I can see how the thugs and sociopaths would flourish.

It's OK Dear One

This Old Sailor Boy Understands The Vexation Sin Can Bring To The Soul Of A Kid Of Grace

And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:

(For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds; )

2 Peter 2:7-8

And The Men And Woman Who Go In Harms Way Understand Your Hatred Of Death And Mayhem More Than Perhaps You Might Think

Ye daughters of Israel, weep over Saul, who clothed you in scarlet, with other delights, who put on ornaments of gold upon your apparel.

How are the mighty fallen in the midst of the battle! O Jonathan, thou was slain in thine high places.

I am distressed for thee, my brother Jonathan: very pleasant hast thou been unto me: thy love to me was wonderful, passing the love of women.

How are the mighty fallen, and the weapons of war perished!

2 Samuel 1:24-27

And Their Sense Of Duty And Honor Starts Them On Their Labor Of Service

But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.

1 Timothy 5:8

And Their Commitment To Each Other Holds Them True

A friend loveth at all times, and a brother is born for adversity.

Proverbs 17:17

Be Blessed Beloved Of The KING

Love, Your Brother Joe

[Guest LadyC]

all in the subtext huh? you mean it's all coming from those voices inside your head.

understanding the necessity for using deadly force under certain circumstances is not the same thing as loving the use of it.