God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is not Allah

[Abusa]

Heated very heated I can see,

... That is why I wrote to say if the Allah in the Koran is Jehovah fear NOT. .... If only you knew HIM you would know that no one dead or living, spirit or mortal can call themselves Jehovah, Yahweh, Elohim or any of the devine holy names of our Father. If only you knew him.

.... then fear not. .... I still say why fear? ... Thsi why I say why the fear? What is it we want to prove? Let the dead bury the dead. Those to perish, perish. If you do not accept that Jehovah is the Almighty God and needs no defense you are no different from the Moslems who kill in the name of Allah.

Unfortunately very few believers know Jehovah, that is why they go to all length to defend him as if he is an idol. ...

so abuse, you are saying that anyone who defends God does not know Him??? pretty judgemental, is it not? you still have not answered the question as to what fear you see here. saying something is wrong does not equate to being afraid of it.

and the bolded sentences.... how incredibly audacious and uncaring of you! methinks you're thinking yourself a little higher above the rest than you really are.

Yes, who ever defends God Jehovah must go back in scripture and see how Almighty the God of Abraham is. This is the reason why most say he has stopped speaking. Its like the God that was there in the old testament time is no longer there or has somehow become born again and thus has a renewal of mind. Sorry that is not the God of Abraham, he was , is and shall be the same, he will never change. Do I not care of those that are perishing? Do you remember Jesus saying: The poor you shall always have. Does this mean he cares not? What about the fate of Esau, before he was even born he was hated by God Jehovah?

Rom 9:10 Don't forget what happened to the twin sons of Isaac and Rebekah.

Rom 9:11 Even before they were born or had done anything good or bad, the Lord told Rebekah that her older son would serve the younger one. The Lord said this to show that he makes his own choices and that it wasn't because of anything either of them had done.

Rom 9:12 (SEE 9:11)

Rom 9:13 That's why the Scriptures say that the Lord liked Jacob more than Esau.

Rom 9:14 Are we saying that God is unfair? Certainly not!

Have you ever read verse 11? the second part of the verse says and I quote: The Lord said this to show that he makes his own choices and that it wasn't because of anything either of them had done.

The verse says God makes his own choices. This is not my words it is the bible, the word of God unless the translation is wrong. So if God makes his own choices who am I to go out of my way to prove anything. I have said that IF you know God Jehovah its like one that knows the color white, he does not need the color black to prove that white is white.

John 6:43 Jesus told them: Stop grumbling!

John 6:44 No one can come to me, unless the Father who sent me makes them want to come. But if they do come, I will raise them to life on the last day.

The above was said by our Lord Jesus that UNLESS the Father makes you want to come to him, you can never come to him. Is this false?

There many verses in the Bible that show that it is not by our effort but by his grace the last I would want to quote is this:

Exo 33:19 And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will show mercy on whom I will show mercy.

It is up to him not you and I. This is the Almighty God Jehovah. For over 400 years he watches the chosen nation Israel under slavery until the sin of the unfortunate nation had risen. Why not give them chance to repent of their sin?

Gen 15:13 And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years;

Gen 15:14 And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance.

Gen 15:15 And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace; thou shalt be buried in a good old age.

Gen 15:16 But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full.

He has not changed, suppose he is waiting for the sin of those that ridicule his name to reach its fullness? That is why I mentioned that he will let the wheat and the weed grow, these are not my words by his words spoken in the parable.

Mat 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

These things are written in the bible. That is why you keep praying for peace in the world when the Lord Jesus said:

Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

Mat 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumors of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

Jesus said see that ye be not troubled. These things our Lord already spoke of that they shall be there or rather here so why then are you trying to prove a false prophet is false? Jesus your Lord and my Lord says be not troubled. That is why I am not troubled because I believe those were the words of Jesus unless I am wrong.

[Abusa]

Yes, who ever defends God Jehovah must go back in scripture and see how Almighty the God of Abraham is. This is the reason why most say he has stopped speaking. Its like the God that was there in the old testament time is no longer there or has somehow become born again and thus has a renewal of mind. Sorry that is not the God of Abraham, he was , is and shall be the same, he will never change. Do I not care of those that are perishing? Do you remember Jesus saying: The poor you shall always have. Does this mean he cares not? What about the fate of Esau, before he was even born he was hated by God Jehovah?

Rom 9:10 Don't forget what happened to the twin sons of Isaac and Rebekah.

Rom 9:11 Even before they were born or had done anything good or bad, the Lord told Rebekah that her older son would serve the younger one. The Lord said this to show that he makes his own choices and that it wasn't because of anything either of them had done.

Rom 9:12 (SEE 9:11)

Rom 9:13 That's why the Scriptures say that the Lord liked Jacob more than Esau.

Rom 9:14 Are we saying that God is unfair? Certainly not!

Have you ever read verse 11? the second part of the verse says and I quote: The Lord said this to show that he makes his own choices and that it wasn't because of anything either of them had done.

The verse says God makes his own choices. This is not my words it is the bible, the word of God unless the translation is wrong. So if God makes his own choices who am I to go out of my way to prove anything. I have said that IF you know God Jehovah its like one that knows the color white, he does not need the color black to prove that white is white.

John 6:43 Jesus told them: Stop grumbling!

John 6:44 No one can come to me, unless the Father who sent me makes them want to come. But if they do come, I will raise them to life on the last day.

The above was said by our Lord Jesus that UNLESS the Father makes you want to come to him, you can never come to him. Is this false?

There many verses in the Bible that show that it is not by our effort but by his grace the last I would want to quote is this:

Exo 33:19 And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will show mercy on whom I will show mercy.

It is up to him not you and I. This is the Almighty God Jehovah. For over 400 years he watches the chosen nation Israel under slavery until the sin of the unfortunate nation had risen. Why not give them chance to repent of their sin?

Gen 15:13 And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years;

Gen 15:14 And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance.

Gen 15:15 And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace; thou shalt be buried in a good old age.

Gen 15:16 But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full.

He has not changed, suppose he is waiting for the sin of those that ridicule his name to reach its fullness? That is why I mentioned that he will let the wheat and the weed grow, these are not my words by his words spoken in the parable.

Mat 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

These things are written in the bible. That is why you keep praying for peace in the world when the Lord Jesus said:

Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

Mat 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumors of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

Jesus said see that ye be not troubled. These things our Lord already spoke of that they shall be there or rather here so why then are you trying to prove a false prophet is false? Jesus your Lord and my Lord says be not troubled. That is why I am not troubled because I believe those were the words of Jesus unless I am wrong.

[Genesis1990]

Islam, Allah, and everything Islam related are a pack of lies.

[Guest]

.... These things our Lord already spoke of that they shall be there or rather here so why then are you trying to prove a false prophet is false? Jesus your Lord and my Lord says be not troubled. That is why I am not troubled because I believe those were the words of Jesus unless I am wrong ....

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Dear One Jesus Your Lord And My Lord Says

Preach The Gospel To Every Creature

And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

Mark 16:25

Say Come, Come To All

I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

Revelations 22:16-17

Shine Before Men

Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.

Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.

Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

Mathew 5:14-16

And The Holy Spirit Through Brother Paul Says Preach The Word

Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.

2 Timothy 4:2-5

And Jesus Says

Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.

Mark 8:38

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Dear Brother Are You Living Among The Islamic?

Finally, brethren, pray for us, that the word of the Lord may have free course, and be glorified, even as it is with you:

2 Thessalonian 3:1

Knowing The Blood Hatred Mohammed's Christless Hordes Have For Anything Good And Pure And The Truth

Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

2 Timothy 3:12

Brother You Are In My Prayers

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Be Blessed Beloved Of The KING

The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:

The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:

The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them. Numbers 6:24-27

Love, Your Brother Joe

For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Romans 1:16

[MorningGlory]

So, anyone can call themselves Jesus but have you ever heard any one call themselves Jehovah?

1st grader hmm, do not lose your cool because of Jehovah, wait until you finish the race, then you will see who is the wheat and who is the weed.

Have you not heard of Jehovah Witnesses? that's not the same Jehovah of the Bible or they wouldn't have to make their own version

And the Mormon call god "elohim" but its a different one also.

are you involved with sacred name groups?

My queston is: Have you ever heard ANYONE CALL THEMSELF Jehovah? Not have you ever heard anyone call their God /god Jehovah? Blasphemy will exist, no matter how much you attack the blasphemer it will still exist. Rather spend time worshipping God and giving him all the honor than spending time trying to convince the world who God is, you may end up finding you spent your whole time doing this and little time with God.

Jehovah witnesses or mormons, I shall not judge for I am not one to judge, God Jehovah himself will judge who is the wheat and the weed. Remember scripture says they must be allowed to grow together. They shall receive the same water BUT at the time of the harvest, the truth will be known.

Am I involved with sacred name calling, since you know me not, pray and ask Jehovah who I am before him before you judge, only HE knows who we are before him not the arguments we bring forth nor the level of our theological qualifications. Pilate asked: What is truth? Do you know it? Are you sure? Only Jehovah knows.

After reading your posts, I have to be honest.....I've no CLUE as to what your point might be. Christians don't fear islam or any other false belief. Are you muslim, abusa?

[Abusa]

MorningGlory you wrote "After reading your posts, I have to be honest.....I've no CLUE as to what your point might be. Christians don't fear islam or any other false belief. Are you muslim, abusa?"

Rest your heart, fear not, I am not. It is just that the one I believe in is greater and mightier than any living or dead thing.

When the Lord Jesus differed with the religious leaders of that time, they claimed he was led by an evil spirit. Yet, these same leaders read the same scripture that the Lord Jesus read. They wanted the scripture interpreted to fit them. They feared Jesus so much that they planned his death as a solution meanwhile the Lord lived at peace with no fear.

I get sad when I see how those who are supposed to be children of the kingdom waste time in discussing rumors and not discussing the word of their Father. I call them rumors because whatever is not true is false if false why waste time when the truth is what is in Jesus? Now, just like Pharisees you find that believers quickly call anyone they differ with a Muslim or none believer. Sad. How time repeats itself.

If you are not in fear of Islam why spend time trying to disarm it. If what you stand on is solid rock why be bothered with that which is on the sand. My position MorningGlory is that the one I believe in, I believe he is able and more than able thus I do not waste time finding fault in false beliefs to prove His ability or His truth.

The God of Abraham is not an idol. His word and his word alone is truth. Unless the one you stand on you are not sure of, then strengthen your defenses by seeking to know the weakness of that which already has no power. I will not waste time to bring out what an already powerless belief which is false has said.

If your baby who has just learnt to speak says he can beat you, will you go all out to prove you can beat it? When you know what you believe him you have no time to prove anything. This is my stand. From Genesis to Malachi, have you ever read that the God of Abraham has been overcome by any idol or false religion? Look to the master Jesus and see how he honored his Father and did not waste time debating with those outside the scripture (Pls note that the Pharisees and Teachers were within the scripture).

I remind you again to the God of Abraham that allowed his chosen ones to suffer slavery for 400 plus years so that the sin of the Amorites reach its peak then he told the Israelites to kill them all. He has not grown old nor has he changed, he is the same God. He will deal with all those that are not his. The wheat and the weed will grow together.

[nebula]

You forget that Yeshua had a lot to say about those things which are false, though.

How many of His words were words of rebuke and correction?

Of course, the Gospels don't show Yeshua having to deal with Gentile religions, either.

Abusa, the Scripture is clear - whoever denies Jesus as the Son of God denies the Father. Thus it is quite clear that the Muslim "Allah" is not Jehovah. Thus, they are worshiping a false God.

Do you not care that they are believing a lie?

[Guest]

.... When I was in Barbados my wife and I met a Muslim man who invited us to his home. When we went his wife took my wife in the back (as the women were not allowed to speak with men). Later on she told me that the women asked her "Do you really believe God had sex with Mary?" So you see they don't really understand what we believe either ....

It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

John 6:63

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The Dead And The Quick

For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him:

neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 1 Corinthians 2:11-14

God Speaks

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life,

and shall not come into condemnation;

but is passed from death unto life. John 5:24

Man Believes

And straightway the father of the child cried out, and said with tears,

Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief. Mark 9:24

And A New Baby Is Born

The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him,

Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.

Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?

Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth:

so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Nicodemus answered and said unto him,

How can these things be? John 3:2-9

The End

And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new.

And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

And he said unto me, It is done.

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end.

I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. Revelation 21:5-6

Hallelujah!

[Abusa]

Nebula you wrote:

Abusa, the Scripture is clear - whoever denies Jesus as the Son of God denies the Father. Thus it is quite clear that the Muslim "Allah" is not Jehovah. Thus, they are worshiping a false God.

Do you not care that they are believing a lie?

Allah is not Jehovah this i have stated before and I have no doubt, but I have said that if the meaning of "Allah" is "God" it is the same as saying "God" is not Jehovah. By this I mean that one can be God or god but they are not Jehovah YET Jehovah is God, I hope this clears my stand on this.

Do I not care that they are believing a lie? Have you ever read 2Th 2:11 So God will make sure that they are fooled into believing a lie.

If God fools you into believing a lie who can deliver you? You know, my stand is to be careful not to rush into judgement. We do not know the whole plan of God. I have said that we must first just humble ourselves before the maker of all and hopefully he leads us to the right place.

Remember Jesus telling his disciples this: Mat 9:38 Ask the Lord in charge of the harvest to send out workers to bring it in." The story here was the harvest was plenty yet Jesus does not tell the disciples to go and gather it in but to ask the Lord of the Harvest to send in workers. Why do you want to go on your own if you have not been sent in? I will not make a move until the Lord of the Harvest says so for fear of:

Mat 7:21 Not everyone who calls me their Lord will get into the kingdom of heaven. Only the ones who obey my Father in heaven will get in.

Mat 7:22 On the day of judgment many will call me their Lord. They will say, "We preached in your name, and in your name we forced out demons and worked many miracles."

Mat 7:23 But I will tell them, "I will have nothing to do with you! Get out of my sight, you evil people!"

Jesus says only the ones that obey his Father. So you may preach, force out demons but you will be called evil if you do this out of care and not out of being told to.

So in answer to your question of care, no I do not care for it is not up to me but the Lord of the harvest. When he sends me I shall go but when he does not I will just remain focused on worshiping him. No amount of care will change anything that God has planned or declared must be.

[nebula]

... but when he does not I will just remain focused on worshiping him. No amount of care will change anything that God has planned or declared must be.

no offense - but it looks more to me like you prefer spending your time telling others not to preach the Gospel.