God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is not Allah

[Abusa]

.... So why do you find it hard to understand that he created evil but he is not evil? In case you did not know he created Lucifer, Satan the very devil including HELL. He created ALL THINGS ....

Sin Stinks

But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

Isaiah 64:5

And Some Slander God

Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

James 1:13-15

And Some Live To Persecute The Godly

Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

2 Timothy 3:12

Yet God Still Is Pleased

And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.

Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.

For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.

Matthew 18:9-11

To Save

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

John 3:16-18

Whosoever Will

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Believe

The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.

He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.John 3:35:36

And Be Blessed Beloved

Your Servant In Messiah, Love, Your Joe

Set a watch, O LORD, before my mouth; keep the door of my lips.

Psalms 141:3

Now also when I am old and grayheaded, O God, forsake me not; until I have shewed thy strength unto this generation, and thy power to every one that is to come.

Psalms 71:18

So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do.

Luke 17:10

Who is talking of SIN? Sin and evil are two different things.

... So why do you find it hard to understand that he created evil but he is not evil? In case you did not know he created Lucifer, Satan the very devil including HELL. He created ALL THINGS ...

Are you uncomfortable with me saying he created Lucifer, well too bad he did.

[Guest]

Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

Hebrews 10:29

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.... God created man but he is not man is he? ....

Ah!

Wonderful Question

Dear One The Covenant LORD Of Abraham

And it came to pass, that, when the sun went down, and it was dark, behold a smoking furnace, and a burning lamp that passed between those pieces.

In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:

Genesis 15:17:18

Appears As Two Here

Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

Isaiah 44:6

And Even A Third At Creation

And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Genesis 1:2

So Could It Be Dear One That God Walked The Earth As A Man

Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Matthew 1:23

To Do His Daddy's Will To Raise The Dead At The Last Day Losing Nothing

All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 6:37-40

And That He Planned This And Came Down Willingly And With Great Joy

Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

Hebrews 12:2

To Save Our Sorry Hides

Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

John 11:25

Because He Is Love

Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

1 John 4:10

And So Loved

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 3:16

Whosoever

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

John 5:24-25

Will Hear

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Believe

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.

John 6:47

And Be Blessed

Be Very Blessed Beloved

Your Servant In Messiah

Love, Joe

Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

1 John 3:1

And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;

Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.

And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

Revelation 5:11-13

[Guest]

Do not err, my beloved brethren.

Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

James 1:16-17

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.... So why do you find it hard to understand that he created evil but he is not evil? In case you did not know he created Lucifer, Satan the very devil including HELL. He created ALL THINGS ....

I Wonder Who Told You To Cast Stones

At My Beloved LORD And Master Jesus

The Christ The Creator

For saTan's Sins?

For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Colossians 1:16-17

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All Was GOOD

And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Genesis 1:31

WAS Good Until SIN

Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

Ezekiel 28:14-15

Until Duster Eater LIED

The snake was more clever than all the wild animals the LORD God had made. He asked the woman, "Did God really say, 'You must never eat the fruit of any tree in the garden'?"

Genesis 3:1 (God's Word Translation)

And Grandparents SINNED

And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

Genesis 3:6

And Duster Eater Still Lies And Slanders And Destroys

Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

1 Peter 5:8

But Believers Are Given The Spirit Of Truth, The Mighty Holy Ghost To Keep Them True

And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

John 14:16-17

Praise The Holy Name Of Jesus

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Trust God

Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time:

Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you.

1 Peter 5:6-7

Believe

Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

Revelation 3:20-21

And Be Blessed Beloved

Your Servant In Messiah, Love, Joe

Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;

As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:

But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;

Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.

1 Peter 1:13-16

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FresnoJoe

Do not err, my beloved brethren.

Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

James 1:16-17

I am not in err and intend not to.

I Wonder Who Told You To Cast Stones

At My Beloved LORD And Master Jesus

The Christ The Creator

For saTan's Sins?

between you and I, who is really throwing stones at the Lord, I who says he created all things and you who denies YET quotes to me the verse below............

For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Colossians 1:16-17

What do you understand by:

1. Visible things

2. Invisible things

3. Thrones

4. Dominions

5. Principalities

6. Powers

AND the ending of the verse ALL THINGS WERE CREATED BY HIM, AND FOR HIM.

Are you still debating after providing proof on your own? Humble yourself as a true Christian and accept that the Lord Jesus created ALL the 6 above according to the verse you have quoted.

[Rick-Parker]

WOW!

[Guest]

.... Humble yourself as a true Christian ....

Bless You Dear One

Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

James 4:10

John's Prayer I Pray For Myself

He must increase, but I must decrease.

John 3:30

Thank You For Your Concern And Godly Counsel

Faithful are the wounds of a friend; but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful.

Proverbs 27:6

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Oh Yes!

Perhaps The Issue Is Not Whither God Created Evil, He Did Not

But The Words Of The Bible Translations We Are Using?

My Beloved King James Version Speaking Of The LORD Jesus

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Isaiah 45:7 (King James Version)

And Another Beloved Translation The New American Standard Bible

The One forming light and creating darkness, Causing well-being and creating calamity; I am the LORD who does all these.

Isaiah 45:7 (New American Standard Bible)

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Ah!

Dear Brother

It Seems That Evil Is Evil

But That God Creates Calamities

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I Don't Know What Bible You Use But It Seems To Me That Your Translation Maybe Much Closer To My Beloved King James Version Than To Todays English?

For We Both Know There Is No Evil Whatsoever To Be Found In God

Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

James 1:17

And Evil Comes Forth From The Wicked Hearts Of Sinner Man

The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

Jeremiah 17:9

Whose Very Nature Is One Of Hate And Death

But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.

Proverbs 8:36

And From The Blinder Of Men's Minds

But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

2 Corinthians 4:3-4

The Father Of Lies

Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

John 8:44

But Our God

But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Romans 5:8

Saves

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

John 3:16-18

Whosoever Will Believe

The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.

He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

John 3:35-36

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Be Blessed Beloved Of The KING

The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:

The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:

The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them. Numbers 6:24-27

Love, Your Brother Joe

Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

1 John 3:1

Behold, how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity!

Psalms 133:1

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beccar777

1.

I know you are deeply confused that's why you would actually say God creates evil and is evil.

If by me saying God created evil I am deeply confused then what about you considering that in quote # 6 below you say the same as I, only that you want to sugar coat it. Show me were I have stated that God is evil. Do not be emotional over this discussion be calm.

2.

And you are also ignorant in that you do not know the difference between a "created" thing and that which ARISES from a created thing because of choices they made.

A knife is a good thing but can also be a bad thing depending with the intention or use. Man is also a good thing but can also be a bad thing depending with how he is used. Disobedience can be good and bad depending on what you are disobeying. You can disobey an order by someone to steal, this is good disobedience. Evil can be good and bad. Killing is evil, is it not, yet the Israelites were sent to kill for a good reason. Now the creator created all things good but the way we use those created things is what determines if it is good use or bad use. I am not ignorant. I am just not like a dead fish that moves with the river with no effort to swim.

3.

The Bible makes it clear that all that God created was Good, and anyone who knows and understands Him knows for a fact that there is NO evil in Him, there is NO darkness in Him, there is NO unrighteousness in Him!

Look to my answer in # 2 above.

4.

Evil is not a created thing, a creating being.

If we stick to the words used we will not mislead others, I NEVER said evil is a BEING but said that God created evil, this I say because:

Gen 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

BUT most important this verse

Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

The above are words in the King James Version Revised edition accredited to God. The verse reads

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beccar777

Continued:

5.

Hebrew. "ra" translated "sorrow," "wretchedness," "adversity," "afflictions," "calamities," but never translated sin.

Who said evil is the same as SIN, you see how you are confusing yourself now. Calm down. I never ever mentioned that evil is sin. I know what evil is and what sin is.

6.

God created evil only in the sense that He made sorrow, wretchedness, etc., to be the sure fruits of sin.

I have NO ARGUMENTS over the above, I agree with you 99%, the 1% is because of the sugar coating of the words

[Abusa]

WOW!

Jeff,

Now this is good my brother or must I say Dad (In Africa anyone older than you is a father and not an equal). You mention that our Lord was in some part of you life on the shelf, no he was not, he was on the cross, right there on the cross. You see I believe that for one to understand the message of the cross, you need to go back in time. To the time when our Lord was crucified. Th cross then was for criminals, not a savior. That is why the people that time did not take him serious because of the cross. The stone that makes people stumble. To hammer the last nail to the coffin, he calls out, "My God, My God why have you forsaken me?" To the ear witness it was finished, he was a liar a con for how come he that says his Father and him are one now says he has been forsaken. Yet it was victory for he that was on the cross was innocent so that you and me can miss the cross.

He was there all the time you were having "fun", he was on the cross receiving your sin and mine.

Thank you for the testimony.

[Rick-Parker]

WOW!

Jeff,

Now this is good my brother or must I say Dad (In Africa anyone older than you is a father and not an equal). You mention that our Lord was in some part of you life on the shelf, no he was not, he was on the cross, right there on the cross. You see I believe that for one to understand the message of the cross, you need to go back in time. To the time when our Lord was crucified. Th cross then was for criminals, not a savior. That is why the people that time did not take him serious because of the cross. The stone that makes people stumble. To hammer the last nail to the coffin, he calls out, "My God, My God why have you forsaken me?" To the ear witness it was finished, he was a liar a con for how come he that says his Father and him are one now says he has been forsaken. Yet it was victory for he that was on the cross was innocent so that you and me can miss the cross.

He was there all the time you were having "fun", he was on the cross receiving your sin and mine.

Thank you for the testimony.

Who is Jeff and what does this have to do with me? My comment "wow" was in response to the statement of "Humble yourself as a true Christian ...." made to our brother Joe.