Ovedya Posted July 28, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 375 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 11,400 Content Per Day: 1.43 Reputation: 125 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/30/2002 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/14/1971 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Actually the language does say the earth "was made" without form and void, which indicates intention. The Bible never precludes the possibility of a pre-Adamic race. In fact if you read the Scofield edition footnotes there is a strong case made for Biblical evidence of a pre-Adamic race. Nevertheless, there is no reason theologically to disbelieve the possibility anymore than there is a scientific reason to disbelieve the possibility of extra-terrestrial life in the universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfBitn Posted July 28, 2009 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 483 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/22/2009 Status: Offline Author Share Posted July 28, 2009 now lets go back to the 5th day, where we left off 20And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. 21And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 22And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. 23And the evening and the morning were the fifth day. To recap this, both science and the bible make these startling observations, even though the atheistic mind wants to not allow for the original hebrew reading of scripture, so that it can be misrepresented as conflicting with actualy geological findings... First the earth was formed Secondly it BECAME wasted and desolate... this doesnt say at ALL completely empty of life. We have seen many desolations on this earth that didnt kill EVERYTHING... but certainly life has been set back on more than one occasion. Thirdly we see from scripture that this pattern and cycle is even alluded to in Ecclesiastes. Fourth we see the consistancy with science that the atmosphere was clouded to the point the suns rays coujldnt penetrate and that this gradulally cleared to allow the rays to penetrate and again foster the growth of life 5th we see that the grasses were formed first, then other plant life which is consistant with science 6th we see the sxplosion of life in the seas first, with then birds also evolving or being brought forth from the waters... 7th we see that a water vapor surrounded the atmosphere at the time, which accounts for the semitropical fossils we find from pole to pole, and we also see that this is consistant with the planet ven us this very moment. So we have absolute consistancy so far between the biblical account and the fossile record... whether the atheistic mind can handle it or not Now we can go on. Heres something interesting from Yahoo news today http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/200907...Q4swTfQRjCCfNdF Oldest Animal Fossils Found in Lakes, Not Oceans Buzz up!1041 votes Send Email IM Share Delicious Digg Facebook Fark Newsvine Reddit StumbleUpon Technorati Yahoo! Bookmarks Print Charles Q. Choi Special to LiveScience LiveScience.com charles Q. Choi special To Livescience livescience.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfBitn Posted July 28, 2009 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 483 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/22/2009 Status: Offline Author Share Posted July 28, 2009 (edited) Now lets touch on the big bang The atheistic arguments range form the ridiculous to the more ridiculous. Alsn Guth for instance admitting string theory doesnt work out and yet stating he just likes the theory lol... When asked what happened BEFORE the bang or inflation some say 'there was no before the bang, because there was no time' lol... some say "nothing happened to cause it, it just happened" Now lets look at this According to theory of the big bang, and yes its still just a theory, we began with a ball of energy/matter TIGHTLY supercompressed into a small ball by gravity... suddenly it began to expand, and atheitic thought has no answer for this... When you point out that SOMETHING had to act on this 'ball' to cause it to suddenly expand the atheist is forced to say that the laws of physics werent in effect yet... BUT... they readily admit to GRAVITY holding this ball in its super condensed condition... amazingly double minded, to change the facts to suit them... THIS i might add isnt science at all, its a fraud. Lets use a simply equasion x= the state of the universe BEFORE the expansion, as this tightly supercompressed ball of energy/matter held together with gravity y= the state of the universe AFTER THE expansion Obviously an expanded state doesnt = a supercondensed state so what we need is factor "Z"... the missing componant x doesnt=y, so we need to solve THIS equation... X + Z = y OR... the state uf the universe in a supercondenced ball + WHAT = the expanded state of the universe Once again to solve this equasion i suggest incerting "GOD's COMMAND" AS THE MISSING FACTOR In other words The preexpanded state of the universe + God's command = the expanded universe X + Z(Gods command) = y So there we have the theory... atheistic mindsets in science have nothing to set on the table as a theory, yet they scoff as though the christian is ignorant for believing in God... when they cant even explain HOW gravity was at work in their deial that the laws of phsics werent at work in the pre expanded state. Now to lay more groundwork and then PROVE this is testable Edited July 28, 2009 by WolfBitn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovedya Posted July 28, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 375 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 11,400 Content Per Day: 1.43 Reputation: 125 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/30/2002 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/14/1971 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Wow. It's a good thing the Gospel's so simple. "Christ" So much for math! LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckamuck Posted July 28, 2009 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 287 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 19 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/26/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/07/1967 Share Posted July 28, 2009 You showed that man is genetically different from apes, but I didn't see how man appeared by your theory. Did he just appear, or was something modified to become man? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfBitn Posted July 28, 2009 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 483 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/22/2009 Status: Offline Author Share Posted July 28, 2009 You showed that man is genetically different from apes, but I didn't see how man appeared by your theory. Did he just appear, or was something modified to become man? Thats a fair question but my theory doesnt deal with how man came to be, whether he is suddenly made or 'engineered'. My personal inclination and belief however is that he was simply made. The Hebrew as a matter of fact leaves this open iin Gen1, as the word 'make' can be implied both ways 1) to create, shape, form a) (Qal) to shape, fashion, create (always with God as subject) 1) of heaven and earth 2) of individual man 3) of new conditions and circumstances 4) of transformations Right now though i want to keep this on a level where we simply examine the facts of science with what the word of God expressly says, to lay forth this theory, and then set about proving the testability As far as the math equasion its really very simple ... an expanded state is differant from a supercondensed state... it needed a catalyst, and this is what boggles the mind of the atheist and puts hiim at a loss... they have no way to explain it and the one explanation that CAN be shown to be true, they deny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfBitn Posted July 28, 2009 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 483 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/22/2009 Status: Offline Author Share Posted July 28, 2009 so what you are saying is that the "MANY cycles of life on this earth", the Proterozoic ,precambrian, cambrian and jurassic all took place prior to God saying "let there be light"? Am I reading that right? God said, "Let there be light," after the Spirit of the Lord hovered over the waters, which occured after the earth was/became formless and void. This is plainly how it is written in Scripture. it is sort of funny you call it plainly written when you use "was/became" since there is much debate on which it is, and what it means. BTW, this is for thought, not to hijack the thread with a bunny trail - But why would God need to create light if "God is light"? (Just think about it.) It does not say that God created light, just that he said "let there be light" Theres no debate at all on what it means gator... not to anyone who knows the meaning... it means BECAME Yanno its too bad you cant see this is directed at saving souls and you just want to argue something unarguable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfBitn Posted July 28, 2009 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 483 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/22/2009 Status: Offline Author Share Posted July 28, 2009 (edited) Theres no debate at all on what it means gator... not to anyone who knows the meaning... it means BECAME Yanno its too bad you cant see this is directed at saving souls and you just want to argue something unarguable of course there is debate, there has been debate for 1000 plus years. To deny it is very dishonest. The other Edited July 28, 2009 by WolfBitn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckamuck Posted July 29, 2009 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 287 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 19 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/26/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/07/1967 Share Posted July 29, 2009 Well thus far we have ONLY gone by SCIENCE, GEOLOGY in particular, physics and astrophysics... theres nothing false in that That is quite a faith statement. I think science is fallible and this has been proven. By the way I think you mean paleontology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfBitn Posted July 29, 2009 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 483 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/22/2009 Status: Offline Author Share Posted July 29, 2009 Well thus far we have ONLY gone by SCIENCE, GEOLOGY in particular, physics and astrophysics... theres nothing false in that That is quite a faith statement. I think science is fallible and this has been proven. By the way I think you mean paleontology. Yes that too lol And youre right, it is certainly a statement of faith and that alone at the moment, but we have been working with some fact and some theory... For instance the big bang theory as opposed to fossile and geological fact. One thing i find interesting is the volcanic levels in various strata of rock and what we find in those strata. Also the fossile evidence showing a worldwide semitropical atmosphere, which is certainly placed right in line with events recorded in scripture, to verify a canopy of water vapor surrounding the earth, much like Venus today... which THEN sets us up to even have scientific evidence for the cause of Noahs flood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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