Apostasy

[OneLight]

Remember the Lakeland Revival? Remember the excitement it caused?

That's what's going to happen when the beast finally steps forward. Only this time he will have the entire worlds attention. We'll be able to watch him on TV, performing his signs and wonders. I believe he will be duplicating the miracles of Christ. It won't just be rumours as it was with Lakeland, there will be video documentation.

I also believe that there will be many who should be able to recognize what is happening, but because of those "little things" I mentioned, God will cause them to chase after the beast.

The Lakeland Revivals is only a forerunner to what is coming. I believe that when Satan takes center stage, he will have such a following that people will turn in those who do not follow him. Family member will turn against each other, friend against friends. Satan will have such strength in his followers that people will be killed for rejecting him. Nothing like Lakeland. It will be worst in every way.

And as for this,

If you break one, you broke'em all.

James 2

8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture,

[Guest man]

Your statement, about if you break one, you break them all, was never in question. What I was asking you was where does grace and forgiveness fit in. Your statement left no hope for anyone .. example, have you broken one?

Have I broken one? Would you believe me if I said no? Of course you wouldn't....so why even ask?

The point I was getting at is, when we willingly go against the Word, we put ourselves in jeopardy. Willful sinning is the definition for the phrase "pleasure in unrighteousness". Sin is an unrighteous act, and when we willingly sin, we take pleasure in that act. Otherwise we wouldn't do it.

When we take on the assumption that all our sins are forgiven, which is true, but then we go out and knowingly commit sin, we are not only taking our salvation for granted, but we are also tempting the Lord.

We are under grace and there is forgiveness for sin, but if we fall short because of our own doing, the possibility does exist that on the day of judgement, we could very well find ourselves lumped in with the goats.

Sometime in the future, the Lord is going to deliver a whole lot of people into the hands of the devil. What makes us think He won't do that to one of us?

[Smalcald]

I am not sure it will be any thing like some of our off base revivals.

Just looking at our world and world events my speculation is that it will be a strange combination of secular materialism and witchcraft, the witchcraft will be disguised as spirituality, positive energy, and sometimes direct magic. Tied in with a rejection of all "traditional" religions. We will end up having much more in common with other traditional faiths than we will with the world religion. But I don't know, I just base that on what I see happening.

[Guest]

And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

1 John 5:11-13

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.... Sometime in the future, the Lord is going to deliver a whole lot of people into the hands of the devil. What makes us think He won't do that to one of us? ....

Doubt His Word

Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

John 11:25

Think He Lies

And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?

He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

John 8:45-47

No

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.

John 6:47

Than You Know Truth

If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

John 8:36

And You Still Believe God's Words

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 3:16

And You Have Not Been Stumbled

Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.

Hebrews 3:12

As Some Would Have You

But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

Matthew 18:6

Know You Are Saved

I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake.

1 John 2:12

Because You Believe

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 3:16

Because You Abide

Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.

Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

John 15:3-4

You Love

This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

John 15:12

You Love

These things I command you, that ye love one another.

John 15:17

And You Make Your Stand Upon God's Word

Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee.

Psalms 119:11

Hallelujah!

For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

Romans 8:15

Be Blessed Beloved Of The KING

Love, Your Brother Joe

Thy words were found, and I did eat them; and thy word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of mine heart: for I am called by thy name, O LORD God of hosts.

Jeremiah 15:16

[OneLight]

I am not sure it will be any thing like some of our off base revivals.

Just looking at our world and world events my speculation is that it will be a strange combination of secular materialism and witchcraft, the witchcraft will be disguised as spirituality, positive energy, and sometimes direct magic. Tied in with a rejection of all "traditional" religions. We will end up having much more in common with other traditional faiths than we will with the world religion. But I don't know, I just base that on what I see happening.

We have a little glimpse as to what to expect, as seen in this scripture

2 Thessalonians 2:9-10 (New King James Version)

The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

I see that what is going to be coming to us is not the same as what we see in typical magic or witchcraft. It will be more powerful then what we have ever seen before. It will include, not only what we read above, but those who claim to be Christ Himself, as we read here.

Matthew 24:23-25 (New King James Version)

Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There!’ do not believe it. For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. See, I have told you beforehand.

A powerful work has be accompany those who make this claim, powerful enough to almost deceive those who know Him.

[Smalcald]

Yes good points.

I do wonder though if the current obsession with the occult, witchcraft, New Age spiritualism, Hindu, Buddhism etc, is priming the pump so to speak. People will be ready to believe, then when the great lying signs happen they will be totally convinced of the lie.

[Massorite]

I am not sure it will be any thing like some of our off base revivals.

Just looking at our world and world events my speculation is that it will be a strange combination of secular materialism and witchcraft, the witchcraft will be disguised as spirituality, positive energy, and sometimes direct magic. Tied in with a rejection of all "traditional" religions. We will end up having much more in common with other traditional faiths than we will with the world religion. But I don't know, I just base that on what I see happening.

We have a little glimpse as to what to expect, as seen in this scripture

2 Thessalonians 2:9-10 (New King James Version)

The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

I see that what is going to be coming to us is not the same as what we see in typical magic or witchcraft. It will be more powerful then what we have ever seen before. It will include, not only what we read above, but those who claim to be Christ Himself, as we read here.

Matthew 24:23-25 (New King James Version)

Then if anyone says to you,

[Press Forward]

If Jesus comes back during our lifetime....it is very simple...if your not standing in the clouds with him....it is not him.

So all we have to do...is ...be on guard...be thankful...merciful and loving....be joyful always...shine for Jesus.....let your actions, behavior, attitude and thoughts be godly and righteous....and be ready.....

For a Child of Jesus...dying is a blessed event....just like living should be a blessed event...cherish it all

For a Child of Satan....dying is a defiled event...that lines up with the defiled life they chose for themselves... a waste of a soul

Jesus was hated before his resurrection by the majority and he will be hated in the last days...especially when the true word of Jesus is resurrected and taught...appostasy will be man's love of darkness...their worldly love and glorification for satan and his dark ways..

Look at the way people stand with sin...and until Jesus destroys this world........ people will try to justify their sin...even now they are justifying sin using the Holy Word..

[princess2000]

I think the falling away has more to do with the media then the churches. Yes I think we should get back to more traditional beliefs, but traditional beliefs were that God really doesn't care for us, that he "holds us over the fires of hell like a woman holds a spider in her home over the fires" to quote my 9-greats-uncle-in-law Jonathan Edwards (his daughter married my 8-greats-uncle on my mom's mom's side of the family). Of course we know better now, we know that while being a just God, our God is one of love, not contempt. At the same time I recognize that if we don't change just a bit we will be lost with the times, but only one thing really truly must change, and that's our music, for even in the past that's the only factor besides the preacher's homily that has changed the most.

The reason I suspect the media has more to do with this problem is because of a preconception that has been shoved down my throat about people of other denominations, one that was never denied my my father's side of the family. See, I'm Catholic, and the way I always perceived people of other denominations are that they go around trying to "save your soul" door to door by getting you to join their faith and then go to some secret meeting where they share how many souls they saved and pick out prizes like girls selling girl scout cookies. The only denominations I actually felt comfortable around were my best friend's and my aunt on my mom's side's, and that was only because I would say something like "My church does (insert something my church would do)" and my best friend would go "Oh, my church does that to" and then we'd start comparing similarities. The reason for my fear of the others is because my aunt out right told my dad he was going to hell because he was Catholic when he was younger (after my great-grandfather's death my dad became the only Catholic until I was born) and whenever my uncle visits from New Hampshire it's always a religious debate between him and my dad, and of course I always have to jump in because I know more about Catholicism then my dad.

The other thing the media says is that you'd have to be a freak to be religious, that being athletic and religious don't mix or that being normal and religious don't mix. The media says that by being religious you are automatically a freak and people don't want to be labeled as freaks so they shove off religion as something that's there when they need a rant. That's really all they use it for, as an outlet to scream at God when things aren't going their way.

Peace out

~Beka

... Oh My! You really believed this about other churches?

Tthe media has nothing to do with the falling away, Christians do. Just because they may say something, doesn't mean you have to believe it.

I agree. Though the media might or does contribute to the humanist and antichrist agenda Beka is right. If we fall away because we listened to the media that we actually a choice and not a con. We are responsible for researching the word of God no matter what denomination we are in if any at all. What does scripture say " We must study to be approved of God". Unfortunately the Catholic church has it,s own version of the bible and there are some differences between the KJV for example and the Catholic bible. If I were you I would forget about any denominational differences and start reading and comparing other bible versions. If you study and read the Catholic bible and no other bible and the Catholic bible is wrong about something and you believe wrongly that is your fault because you didn't research what you have been taught. Personally I do not trust any denominational teachings. I rely on bible study tools that are not influenced by any man or denomination and believe me there are many so called accurate bible lexicons, dictionaries and more. I believe that the older the bible lexicon or dictionary the closer we are to the original meaning of any given word.

Yes, we have our own version of the bible, it's longer then the KJV. And other then minuet word differences, the only major differences are Maccabees 1 &2, and parts of Ruth and Tobit. Parts that to my understanding had been taken out because at the time of their removal nobody could find their original original Hebrew manuscripts. About 500 years later the original original Hebrew manuscripts were found in the form of the Dead Sea Scrolls. Again, my understanding.

The other thing is, and I'm probably going to spend a little bit more time in purgatory for this, I see churches as sea shells, they are similar and different and there are a multitude of them. But what makes one sea shell irreplaceable for one person may be trash for another. Translation: While I recognize that God wants us to be one church, one church is a "perfect fit" for somebody, Catholicism becomes that irreplaceable shell for me, the Luthren church for my best friend, Episcopalian for my Aunt, your denomination for you.

Peace out

~Beka

[Massorite]

I think the falling away has more to do with the media then the churches. Yes I think we should get back to more traditional beliefs, but traditional beliefs were that God really doesn't care for us, that he "holds us over the fires of hell like a woman holds a spider in her home over the fires" to quote my 9-greats-uncle-in-law Jonathan Edwards (his daughter married my 8-greats-uncle on my mom's mom's side of the family). Of course we know better now, we know that while being a just God, our God is one of love, not contempt. At the same time I recognize that if we don't change just a bit we will be lost with the times, but only one thing really truly must change, and that's our music, for even in the past that's the only factor besides the preacher's homily that has changed the most.

The reason I suspect the media has more to do with this problem is because of a preconception that has been shoved down my throat about people of other denominations, one that was never denied my my father's side of the family. See, I'm Catholic, and the way I always perceived people of other denominations are that they go around trying to "save your soul" door to door by getting you to join their faith and then go to some secret meeting where they share how many souls they saved and pick out prizes like girls selling girl scout cookies. The only denominations I actually felt comfortable around were my best friend's and my aunt on my mom's side's, and that was only because I would say something like "My church does (insert something my church would do)" and my best friend would go "Oh, my church does that to" and then we'd start comparing similarities. The reason for my fear of the others is because my aunt out right told my dad he was going to hell because he was Catholic when he was younger (after my great-grandfather's death my dad became the only Catholic until I was born) and whenever my uncle visits from New Hampshire it's always a religious debate between him and my dad, and of course I always have to jump in because I know more about Catholicism then my dad.

The other thing the media says is that you'd have to be a freak to be religious, that being athletic and religious don't mix or that being normal and religious don't mix. The media says that by being religious you are automatically a freak and people don't want to be labeled as freaks so they shove off religion as something that's there when they need a rant. That's really all they use it for, as an outlet to scream at God when things aren't going their way.

Peace out

~Beka

... Oh My! You really believed this about other churches?

Tthe media has nothing to do with the falling away, Christians do. Just because they may say something, doesn't mean you have to believe it.

I agree. Though the media might or does contribute to the humanist and antichrist agenda Beka is right. If we fall away because we listened to the media that we actually a choice and not a con. We are responsible for researching the word of God no matter what denomination we are in if any at all. What does scripture say " We must study to be approved of God". Unfortunately the Catholic church has it,s own version of the bible and there are some differences between the KJV for example and the Catholic bible. If I were you I would forget about any denominational differences and start reading and comparing other bible versions. If you study and read the Catholic bible and no other bible and the Catholic bible is wrong about something and you believe wrongly that is your fault because you didn't research what you have been taught. Personally I do not trust any denominational teachings. I rely on bible study tools that are not influenced by any man or denomination and believe me there are many so called accurate bible lexicons, dictionaries and more. I believe that the older the bible lexicon or dictionary the closer we are to the original meaning of any given word.

Yes, we have our own version of the bible, it's longer then the KJV. And other then minuet word differences, the only major differences are Maccabees 1 &2, and parts of Ruth and Tobit. Parts that to my understanding had been taken out because at the time of their removal nobody could find their original original Hebrew manuscripts. About 500 years later the original original Hebrew manuscripts were found in the form of the Dead Sea Scrolls. Again, my understanding.

The other thing is, and I'm probably going to spend a little bit more time in purgatory for this, I see churches as sea shells, they are similar and different and there are a multitude of them. But what makes one sea shell irreplaceable for one person may be trash for another. Translation: While I recognize that God wants us to be one church, one church is a "perfect fit" for somebody, Catholicism becomes that irreplaceable shell for me, the Lutheran church for my best friend, Episcopalian for my Aunt, your denomination for you.

Peace out

~Beka

Actually you have forgotten about 1 & 2 Esdras, the book of Judith, the Wisdom of Solomon, Ecclesiaticus, the book of Burak, the Song of the Three Children, the book of the History of Susanna, the book of the History of Bel and the Dragon, and The Prayer of Manasseh King of the Jews.

All of these books have some unique stuff in them such as in the story of Esther it is said that Esther actually put human poop in her hair to show her depth of morning. Bel and the Dragon is about how the Prophet Danial actually killed a real live dragon. 1 & 2 Esdras are about prophecy both past and future and many of them actually line up with prophecy in the book of Danial. My research has lead me to believe that 1 & 2 Esdras are actually books written by Ezra and a very interesting thing about them is that Esdras was supposed to have been taken up to heaven without ever tasting of death and the death of Ezra is not recorded in the book of Ezra in the KJV. Judith who was a virtuous woman seduced an Assyrian general and save Israel by cutting his head off with 2 wackes. And so on.

Maybe you should study your version of the bible a little better and you should study a little more about your choice of denomination because if you did you would find out that Catholicism makes some pretty fantastic claims including but not limited to the belief that clergy are the only authorized by God people on the face of the earth who can properly interpreter scripture and the everybody else is wrong.

No insult given her just the facts.

Robert