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John 4:1-3 says: "When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John,

(Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,) He left Judea, and departed again into Galilee. "

Is the Word's mandate to be baptized mean with water (which cannot save), or with the Holy Spirit (which does save)?

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John 4:1-3 says: "When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John,

(Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,) He left Judea, and departed again into Galilee. "

Is the Word's mandate to be baptized mean with water (which cannot save), or with the Holy Spirit (which does save)?

My belief here is water baptism, because you can't be baptized with the Holy Spirit unless you are first saved.

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But water baptism cannot save, while the Holy Spirit enters the body (baptizes) at the moment of salvation.

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But water baptism cannot save, while the Holy Spirit enters the body (baptizes) at the moment of salvation.

No, water baptism does not save. It is an outward obedience to salvation.

The Holy Spirit draws us to salvation, but does not enter a person until that person is first saved.

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5He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation. 16Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

Scripture is clear.

Only unbelief condemns but baptism is part of faith, it says believes AND is baptized.

Please forgive me if I am misunderstanding you . . .

But, do you believe a person is NOT saved if they don't get baptized?

This is what I believe . . .

Yes, baptism is a part of a person's faith but not part of a person's initial salvation.

The scripture says, "but whoever does not believe will be condemned."

It does not say whoever is not baptized is condemned.

What about the person who went to a church service, genuinely got saved, left that service and was killed on the way home?

They were not yet baptized, so does that mean they weren't really saved and therefore they will not make it to Heaven?

:laugh::blink::P

You are correct only unbelief condemns as scripture clearly points out. However it also says believes AND is Baptized will be saved. You can take that to mean whatever you want, I would strongly suggest to any Christian who is not baptized though to get baptized as soon as possible. As Nebula says why would we want to remain in disobedience to the Word of God?

But I also believe that Baptism is more than an outward show, something real indeed happens in Baptism. Read the account of the Baptism of Christ, read the other accounts of Baptism in scripture, it is much more than an outward ritual at least as shown in sccripture.

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Water baptism in symbolic. Salvation comes by belief in Christ and following Him.

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Joh 10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

Act 2:21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Act 16:30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?

Act 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

Act 16:32 And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

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5He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation. 16Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

Scripture is clear.

Only unbelief condemns but baptism is part of faith, it says believes AND is baptized.

Please forgive me if I am misunderstanding you . . .

But, do you believe a person is NOT saved if they don't get baptized?

This is what I believe . . .

Yes, baptism is a part of a person's faith but not part of a person's initial salvation.

The scripture says, "but whoever does not believe will be condemned."

It does not say whoever is not baptized is condemned.

What about the person who went to a church service, genuinely got saved, left that service and was killed on the way home?

They were not yet baptized, so does that mean they weren't really saved and therefore they will not make it to Heaven?

:emot-hug::wub::emot-hug:

You are correct only unbelief condemns as scripture clearly points out. However it also says believes AND is Baptized will be saved. You can take that to mean whatever you want, I would strongly suggest to any Christian who is not baptized though to get baptized as soon as possible. As Nebula says why would we want to remain in disobedience to the Word of God?

But I also believe that Baptism is more than an outward show, something real indeed happens in Baptism. Read the account of the Baptism of Christ, read the other accounts of Baptism in scripture, it is much more than an outward ritual at least as shown in sccripture.

I agree with you Smalcald

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I'm beginning to think some folks round here have an aversion to water.

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I'm beginning to think some folks round here have an aversion to water.

There are some who don't get the chance to be baptized. Deathbed salvations....are we saying they are not saved because they didn't get the chance to be baptized. How about the thief on the cross? Are people saying God changes His mind on the plan?

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There are some who don't get the chance to be baptized. Deathbed salvations....are we saying they are not saved because they didn't get the chance to be baptized. How about the thief on the cross? Are people saying God changes His mind on the plan?

Good question Colleen, and my belief on this is,

Yes, they are saved if they accepted Jesus.

No, God doesn't change His mind on the plan.

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