Do you still go to heaven if you commit suicide?

[Smalcald]

There is no non salvation point for me in my life. I was saved 2000 years ago, I have free will which I can use to walk away from that gift offered to me at the point of my conception; but that gift is offered freely to me and I can come to that gift only through the working of the Holy Spirit. I can leave that gift only by my own evil heart.

Thus willful sin is part of a pattern of life that would indeed mean that I do not have the Holy Spirit and have chosen to reject the Holy Spirit and to reject faith. Now this is a continual struggle, you cannot really always see this from the outside; we cannot judge how someone is doing in this struggle nor judge another

[BigBert]

There is no non salvation point for me in my life. I was saved 2000 years ago, I have free will which I can use to walk away from that gift offered to me at the point of my conception; but that gift is offered freely to me and I can come to that gift only through the working of the Holy Spirit. I can leave that gift only by my own evil heart.

Thus willful sin is part of a pattern of life that would indeed mean that I do not have the Holy Spirit and have chosen to reject the Holy Spirit and to reject faith. Now this is a continual struggle, you cannot really always see this from the outside; we cannot judge how someone is doing in this struggle nor judge another

[Guest Butero]

Killing ones self is walking out of Jesus' hand and into the flames of hell.

Except of course that the scriptures do not say that

I didn't say they did. I have had enough encounters with people of the "unconditional eternal security" persuation to know that at some point, they will try to misuse the scripture about nobody being able to pluck you out of God's hand to supposedly prove their position, and it does no such thing. There is nothing to stop someone from walking away of their own accord, and the Bible never says that they can't.

Misusing the scriptures I guess is in the eyes of the beholder. Accusations like that are really not helpful. Your argument of course is from silence

If a person posts the scripture that states no man can pluck you from the palm of God's hands, and tries to claim that means you can not walk away, they are adding to the text and speaking from the argument of silence as well, and they do that all the time.

[nebula]

Hey guys -

While you all are having fun debating the theology of sin and salvation -

I hope you keep in mind that when dealing with someone who is wanting to end their lives you are dealing not with someone who needs their theology fixed - but someone who needs their soul and/or spirit healed.

Think about it - if Jesus were asked this quesiton, do you suppose He would give a "Yes or No" type of answer? Do you not suppose instead He would speak to the heart of the person, to answer the question behind the question?

[Guest Butero]

Hey guys -

While you all are having fun debating the theology of sin and salvation -

I hope you keep in mind that when dealing with someone who is wanting to end their lives you are dealing not with someone who needs their theology fixed - but someone who needs their soul and/or spirit healed.

Think about it - if Jesus were asked this quesiton, do you suppose He would give a "Yes or No" type of answer? Do you not suppose instead He would speak to the heart of the person, to answer the question behind the question?

Where you come down on this issue would have a great deal to do with the decision people would make to commit suicide. If I was very depressed, and believed in unconditional eternal security, and was 100 percent certain I could instantly go from a bad situation to a mansion in glory, I would likely end my life. On the other hand, if I wasn't sure where I would go, or if I was convinced suicide would be taking me from a bad situation to eternity in hell, there is no way i would end my life.

The main point I would like those who are depressed and thinking about suicide to keep in mind is that there is a great deal of division within the Christian Church as to where one would go if they make that choice. In addition to that, nobody that I know of that committed suicide has come back from the dead to tell us where they went. For that reason alone, it is best to tough it out and work through your problems in a constructive manner rather than trying to escape. God will see us through if we trust in him, and eternity will come soon enough.

[Smalcald]

There is no non salvation point for me in my life. I was saved 2000 years ago, I have free will which I can use to walk away from that gift offered to me at the point of my conception; but that gift is offered freely to me and I can come to that gift only through the working of the Holy Spirit. I can leave that gift only by my own evil heart.

Thus willful sin is part of a pattern of life that would indeed mean that I do not have the Holy Spirit and have chosen to reject the Holy Spirit and to reject faith. Now this is a continual struggle, you cannot really always see this from the outside; we cannot judge how someone is doing in this struggle nor judge another

[OneLight]

There is no non salvation point for me in my life. I was saved 2000 years ago, I have free will which I can use to walk away from that gift offered to me at the point of my conception; but that gift is offered freely to me and I can come to that gift only through the working of the Holy Spirit. I can leave that gift only by my own evil heart.

Thus willful sin is part of a pattern of life that would indeed mean that I do not have the Holy Spirit and have chosen to reject the Holy Spirit and to reject faith. Now this is a continual struggle, you cannot really always see this from the outside; we cannot judge how someone is doing in this struggle nor judge another

[BigBert]

thanks, smalcald. I'll comment maybe in a bit.

OneLight--true, though I've read a lot in recent days about that scripture and many have a different take on that. However, one thing's for sure, regardless of where someone is in life---it's very dangerous to deny Christ!

[OneLight]

thanks, smalcald. I'll comment maybe in a bit.

OneLight--true, though I've read a lot in recent days about that scripture and many have a different take on that. However, one thing's for sure, regardless of where someone is in life---it's very dangerous to deny Christ!

Yeah, that is the problem. People take scripture and "reason" it out to mean anything but what it is meant to be. Why can't people just read the word and take it at face value anymore?

[~candice~]

thanks, smalcald. I'll comment maybe in a bit.

OneLight--true, though I've read a lot in recent days about that scripture and many have a different take on that. However, one thing's for sure, regardless of where someone is in life---it's very dangerous to deny Christ!

Yeah, that is the problem. People take scripture and "reason" it out to mean anything but what it is meant to be. Why can't people just read the word and take it at face value anymore?

One, perhaps you would find this post interesting...

http://www.worthychristianforums.com/index...t&p=1422601