School kids taught to praise Obama

[nebula]

I was making the point that Brown an those in the abolitionist movement who came after himdid far more more than Obama has or ever will.

As to hero worship in general, it's not really my cup of tea, and John Brown was, and indeed getting children to parrot sychophantic saccharine songs about a political leader is as stupid and as pagan as getting them to salute a coloured bit of cloth.

To amor:

Thanks you for clarifying that. I've gotten so used to seeing posters go off on a side trail as a means of distracting others in order to silence them from speaking against something the poster is for. My apologies.

To everyone else:

OK, I asked that for clarification, not to sidetrack the topic.

[Rick-Parker]

So people are muslim and live in the Middle East are just dogs to be dispatched by members of a master race or is it just a master nation. It's he old lie we're better than they are so they're expendable, the same lie pushed by those on the other side too. those "dogs" are men and womwn like you or me. You're no better than they are, and they're no better than you are.

That's not what was said and you know it. She was talking about the terrorists; Islamic extremists. We may not be better than them, but we are most certainly not as bad as them.

[nebula]

A headline today had the superintendent saying that the video was illegally made and published. The impression I got was that he was more upset at being caught than at what actually happened. . . .

I thought the same thing.

[amor]

There are things in this world we should struggle for:the right for all to be treated equally, the right for all to have a decent standard of living, and the freedom to think, but how often are these rights held up by the nation states that we are called upon to venerate?

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Exactly how do you suppose those rights are won? How many have been set free by talking the opponent to death?

They're won in the struggle against those who deny those rights, and they're as likey indeed more likely to be within a society than beyond it. Look at the struggle for Civil Rights within the USA. A struggle well within living memory, to free people from state oppression. Look around the world at the struggle women have had to gain equal rights.The way in Britain we've spent decades strugling against the elites for decent healthcare, welfare provision and education, a struggle that continues to this day.

[MorningGlory]

I don't believe that dying for your nation is dying for a greater cause and I think that such ideas themselves trivialise those deaths.

Higher ideals are seldom sought by the faint of heart.

There are things in this world we should struggle for:the right for all to be treated equally, the right for all to have a decent standard of living, and the freedom to think, but how often are these rights held up by the nation states that we are called upon to venerate?

Exactly how do you suppose those rights are won? How many have been set free by talking the opponent to death?

Nationalism focuses on convincing yourself that your sort are superior to those around you, and that the others are somehow lesser.

I, for one, have no doubt that my countrymen are superior to the muslim dogs our military is dispatching in the Middle East so you may have a point there.

So people are muslim and live in the Middle East are just dogs to be dispatched by members of a master race or is it just a master nation. It's he old lie we're better than they are so they're expendable, the same lie pushed by those on the other side too. those "dogs" are men and womwn like you or me. You're no better than they are, and they're no better than you are.

Our military (AND YOURS) are ridding the world of those who would gladly kill us all for 'allah',the lowest of the low. They don't go after women and children or old people. And, yes amor....I AM better than they are. I worship the one true God....not satan, a.k.a., 'allah'.

[other one]

ya know.... i know some people don't like it when obama is compared to a certain german leader, but good golly miss molly! the similarities do just keep piling up, don't they!

You know, that old saw is getting rusty and dull. Now we compare EVERYBODY to Hitler even though the ideologies may be worlds apart. It doesn't make sense.

Actually if you get inside the New Age Movement and see how far it has progressed into both the US bureaucracy and the UN, then look deeply where it comes from, and how Hitler was associated with the Thule Society, you might have to rethink them not being the same ideology.

Remember, we only defeated the German Army in World War II, we and the Russians imported the most of the Nazi's into our countries for their knowledge of many different things.

There is really less difference than you might think when you compare it to the very early stages of that part of Germany's history. Germany was really a true Republic until Hitler burned their State Capitol. I'm starting to sound pretty conspiritorial aren't I? I'd better stop here.....

[Aleksander]

Not a surprise. I was watching the news when Obama was giving his victory speech and the camera caught the faces of some people... a thought pierced me: they looked like they were looking up to him for hope that he kept talking about... forgetting to look up to God for hope. Something like this was going to happen eventually I guess. I guess a African American president as such a huge deal after all.

[MorningGlory]

ya know.... i know some people don't like it when obama is compared to a certain german leader, but good golly miss molly! the similarities do just keep piling up, don't they!

You know, that old saw is getting rusty and dull. Now we compare EVERYBODY to Hitler even though the ideologies may be worlds apart. It doesn't make sense.

Actually if you get inside the New Age Movement and see how far it has progressed into both the US bureaucracy and the UN, then look deeply where it comes from, and how Hitler was associated with the Thule Society, you might have to rethink them not being the same ideology.

Remember, we only defeated the German Army in World War II, we and the Russians imported the most of the Nazi's into our countries for their knowledge of many different things.

There is really less difference than you might think when you compare it to the very early stages of that part of Germany's history. Germany was really a true Republic until Hitler burned their State Capitol. I'm starting to sound pretty conspiritorial aren't I? I'd better stop here.....

We (and the Russians) imported Hitler's most brilliant scientists; the numbers were actually quite small. I'm finding it hard to reconcile the 'diversity' mind set, which is a good thing, with the ideology of a master race as espoused by the Nazis of 65 years ago and the Neo-Nazi movements of today. It just doesn't wash.

[Guest yod]

I'm finding it hard to reconcile the 'diversity' mind set, which is a good thing, with the ideology of a master race as espoused by the Nazis of 65 years ago and the Neo-Nazi movements of today. It just doesn't wash.

Nowadays "diversity" is code language for reverse racism and is also a way of making laws that favor homosexuality. What are you trying to reconcile? Disguised racism to open racism?

Why would anyone think that a comparison with Hitler can only be made if the "final solution" for killing jews matches exactly? The comparison is made in how lies were employed to fool otherwise intelligent people and intimidation was used to silence opposition.

Which Presidents in America's history have sought the totalitarian control of industry, banks, education, media, and health-care of its citizens through centralized control from the Executive branch with a one-party rule?

[paul1149]

We (and the Russians) imported Hitler's most brilliant scientists; the numbers were actually quite small. I'm finding it hard to reconcile the 'diversity' mind set, which is a good thing, with the ideology of a master race as espoused by the Nazis of 65 years ago and the Neo-Nazi movements of today. It just doesn't wash.

It's now morphed into a global elitism. Instead of one race dominating the others, it will be an intelligentsia with complete command and control of a dumbed-down and manipulated population, with the media used to manufacture consent.

What today's socialists and Hitler's National Socialists have in common is love of the state, because it is their vehicle to wield coercive power over those who disagree. The only antidote I know of - if there is a political antidote at this point - is a Biblically-informed conservatism that focuses on government's role to keep the peace and protect the borders.

To others:

I personally think we have a lot to be thankful for in the US. Last century it was aggressive godless Communism threatening us, now it's no less threatening (and no less godless) militant Islam. Our forebears fought, suffered and died so that we could freely study, speak, and live the Word.

That's more than a privilege, it's a responsibility to live in a way that honors their sacrifices. That's what saluting the flag means to me. And as the pledge rightly says, it's all under God.

Should the day come when the law of the land contradicts fidelity to God, God will come first; the flag is no idol to me. In many ways we are seeing the nation change into something we could not have recognized 40 years ago, and it's not good. The enemy couldn't take us down militarily, so instead turned his attention to an ideological gradualism, brought on generationally through the schools. And the plan has been working so splendidly that what started insidiously has begun to break out into daylight.

I would like to see government brought back to the classic ideal the Founders delivered to us, so that we could have maximum freedom to live out the Gospel. But that can't happen without reeducating much of the populace concerning principled freedom and moral responsibility. Considering what this nation has been doing with its freedom (sexual immorality, economic immorality, humanistic relativism, etc), we are on a collision course with disaster, and the election of Obama is a sign that fate approaches quickly. It may well be that persecution is in the cards. The Lord can work through that as well, but I will work for the common good as long as I am able.

bb,

p.