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You could put anything after "those who believe" and it would be a true statement.

Ok. Let's give it a whirl.

Those who believe and commit adultery will be saved.

Those who believe and hate their brother will be saved.

Those who believe and oppress widows and orphans will be saved.

Those who believe and torture little kittens will be saved.

Care to retract that statement?

Or are you going to descend further into lunatic theology?

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You want to establish an identity with Christ then walk the walk. 1 Corinthians 11: 1 Follow my example, as I follow the example of Christ.

I gotta admit that I never liked religious folks that use guilt to control their agenda.

I am not using guilt and have no intention of controling anyone. Your problem is that you don't know what you're talking about and don't like anyone with the temerity to tell you you're wrong.

So give me the exact location of scripture that says that baptism is "an outward testimony of an inward transformation, obedience and identification." I find it odd that Christ said in Mark 16:16 that whoever is water baptized is A B and C. But maybe it's in the other books so I'll await your reply.

Just to add on this MArk 16:16:

16Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. 17 And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; 18they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well."

Jesus is referring to water baptism. Either, this water baptism comes with the power to heal the sick and handle snakes til a designated moment in time

OR this water baptism was a sign that was relevant for a certain moment in time.

So you guys can talk about the baptism part but take into account everything that is written there.

Shiloh if you believe in baptizing like in Mark 16:16 does your church go into hospitals and heal the sick?

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You could put anything after "those who believe" and it would be a true statement.

Ok. Let's give it a whirl.

Those who believe and commit adultery will be saved.

Those who believe and hate their brother will be saved.

Those who believe and oppress widows and orphans will be saved.

Those who believe and torture little kittens will be saved.

Care to retract that statement?

Or are you going to descend further into lunatic theology?

Strawman. You know what I meant. By the way, a person who engages in pagan idolatry has no room to call my theology "lunatic."


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You could put anything after "those who believe" and it would be a true statement.

Ok. Let's give it a whirl.

Those who believe and commit adultery will be saved.

Those who believe and hate their brother will be saved.

Those who believe and oppress widows and orphans will be saved.

Those who believe and torture little kittens will be saved.

Care to retract that statement?

Or are you going to descend further into lunatic theology?

Strawman. You know what I meant.

Did you mean something other than what your words literally said?

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You could put anything after "those who believe" and it would be a true statement.

Ok. Let's give it a whirl.

Those who believe and commit adultery will be saved.

Those who believe and hate their brother will be saved.

Those who believe and oppress widows and orphans will be saved.

Those who believe and torture little kittens will be saved.

Care to retract that statement?

Or are you going to descend further into lunatic theology?

Strawman. You know what I meant.

Did you mean something other than what your words literally said?

You took ignored the literal intent and twisted my words to mean something else. Integrity is not your strong suit.


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You could put anything after "those who believe" and it would be a true statement.

Ok. Let's give it a whirl.

Those who believe and commit adultery will be saved.

Those who believe and hate their brother will be saved.

Those who believe and oppress widows and orphans will be saved.

Those who believe and torture little kittens will be saved.

Care to retract that statement?

Or are you going to descend further into lunatic theology?

Strawman. You know what I meant.

Did you mean something other than what your words literally said?

You took ignored the literal intent and twisted my words to mean something else. Integrity is not your strong suit.

Please explain how I twisted your words.

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You could put anything after "those who believe" and it would be a true statement.

Ok. Let's give it a whirl.

Those who believe and commit adultery will be saved.

Those who believe and hate their brother will be saved.

Those who believe and oppress widows and orphans will be saved.

Those who believe and torture little kittens will be saved.

Care to retract that statement?

Or are you going to descend further into lunatic theology?

Strawman. You know what I meant.

Did you mean something other than what your words literally said?

You took ignored the literal intent and twisted my words to mean something else. Integrity is not your strong suit.

Please explain how I twisted your words.

When I said you could add anything to "those who believe" I was referring to any other act of Christian obedience and you would have to be pretty stupid to not know that. Either that, or a liar.


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You could put anything after "those who believe" and it would be a true statement.

Ok. Let's give it a whirl.

Those who believe and commit adultery will be saved.

Those who believe and hate their brother will be saved.

Those who believe and oppress widows and orphans will be saved.

Those who believe and torture little kittens will be saved.

Care to retract that statement?

Or are you going to descend further into lunatic theology?

Strawman. You know what I meant.

Did you mean something other than what your words literally said?

You took ignored the literal intent and twisted my words to mean something else. Integrity is not your strong suit.

Please explain how I twisted your words.

When I said you could add anything to "those who believe" I was referring to any other act of Christian obedience and you would have to be pretty stupid to not know that. Either that, or a liar.

OK. I apologize for not recognizing that.

May I also take your words to mean that an act of disobedience can make belief null and void?


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To me, it's simple really.

The Bible says, "Nothing in all creation can separate us from the love of God." (Romans 8:39)

Are you a created thing? Are you then a part of creation?

Then not even you yourself can take away your salvation. The reason is salvation is of the Lord. It comes from Him and is kept by Him. ONLY Him. It is by His work on the cross, NOT from any of the works you have done or will ever do. God does not take returns on His gift. The Bible says our names are already written in the Lambs Book of Life, that we are sealed by the Holy Spirit, which is a "guarantee of our inheritance" (Ephesians 1:13-14) and that inheritance is kept in heaven for us. (1 Peter 1:3-5) And we are already seated in heaven with Christ. (Ephesians 2:6)

The Bible also says it is Jesus who began this good work in you and it is HE who will complete it. (Philippians 1:6)

Jesus is doing the work, and the work will get done. Period.

AMEN

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You could put anything after "those who believe" and it would be a true statement.

Ok. Let's give it a whirl.

Those who believe and commit adultery will be saved.

Those who believe and hate their brother will be saved.

Those who believe and oppress widows and orphans will be saved.

Those who believe and torture little kittens will be saved.

Care to retract that statement?

Or are you going to descend further into lunatic theology?

Strawman. You know what I meant.

Did you mean something other than what your words literally said?

You took ignored the literal intent and twisted my words to mean something else. Integrity is not your strong suit.

Please explain how I twisted your words.

When I said you could add anything to "those who believe" I was referring to any other act of Christian obedience and you would have to be pretty stupid to not know that. Either that, or a liar.

OK. I apologize for not recognizing that.

May I also take your words to mean that an act of disobedience can make belief null and void?

Apology accepted :rolleyes:

An act of disobedience is a sin, but it does not void faith.

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