can salvation be lost?

[kross]

My point is that just because a person sins, it does not mean that they have no faith, nor does it render them unsaved.

So, can one believe and commit adultery and still be saved?

Simple yes or no answer.

YES!!!!!!

Is there a limit to the amount of sin a believer can commit before he loses salvation?

NO!!!!

[exrockstar]

So give me the exact location of scripture that says that baptism is "an outward testimony of an inward transformation, obedience and identification." I find it odd that Christ said in Mark 16:16 that whoever is water baptized is A B and C. But maybe it's in the other books so I'll await your reply.

apparently someone told me that Christ said to be baptized because it is to be obedient, shows inward transformation and displays identity with Christ.

Does anyone have this scripture of Christ saying that?

Or did this person make up scripture to have people conform to his beliefs.

ANYONE?

[kross]

So give me the exact location of scripture that says that baptism is "an outward testimony of an inward transformation, obedience and identification." I find it odd that Christ said in Mark 16:16 that whoever is water baptized is A B and C. But maybe it's in the other books so I'll await your reply.

apparently someone told me that Christ said to be baptized because it is to be obedient, shows inward transformation and displays identity with Christ.

Does anyone have this scripture of Christ saying that?

Or did this person make up scripture to have people conform to his beliefs.

ANYONE?

You will not find scripture that uses those words. That is a phrase that is used to sum up what scripture teaches about baptism.

[kross]

I believe the pure gospel, not the false gospel that adds baptism to the work of Christ.

Here is the Gospel that I accept:

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized, shall be saved: but he that believeth not shall be condemned.

That verse is not saying that Baptism is necessary for savation. Again, you are preaching a false gospel.

Why did Jesus mention Baptism in that verse?

Because it shows an act of obedience. To proclaim HIM as LORD and not follow HIS commandments would indicate a spiritual issue. The Baptism doesn't save, it confirms salvation.

Why doesn't the scripture state, "he that is not baptised is not saved"?

[exrockstar]

You will not find scripture that uses those words. That is a phrase that is used to sum up what scripture teaches about baptism.

I kinda agree.

Scripture teaches and we learn. But where does it say that ALL CHRISTIANS have to physically do it and where do it say that if WE do not that WE'RE disobedient?

I want to read up on this.

[leoxiii]

I believe the pure gospel, not the false gospel that adds baptism to the work of Christ.

Here is the Gospel that I accept:

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized, shall be saved: but he that believeth not shall be condemned.

That verse is not saying that Baptism is necessary for savation. Again, you are preaching a false gospel.

Why did Jesus mention Baptism in that verse?

Because it shows an act of obedience. To proclaim HIM as LORD and not follow HIS commandments would indicate a spiritual issue. The Baptism doesn't save, it confirms salvation.

Why doesn't the scripture state, "he that is not baptised is not saved"?

It does.

John 3:5 Jesus answered: Amen, amen I say to thee, unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

[leoxiii]

My point is that just because a person sins, it does not mean that they have no faith, nor does it render them unsaved.

So, can one believe and commit adultery and still be saved?

Simple yes or no answer.

YES!!!!!!

Is there a limit to the amount of sin a believer can commit before he loses salvation?

NO!!!!

Jude 1:24 Now to him who is able to preserve you without sin, and to present you spotless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, in the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, 25 To the only God our Saviour through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory and magnificence, empire and power, before all ages, and now, and for all ages of ages. Amen.

[kross]

You will not find scripture that uses those words. That is a phrase that is used to sum up what scripture teaches about baptism.

I kinda agree.

Scripture teaches and we learn. But where does it say that ALL CHRISTIANS have to physically do it and where do it say that if WE do not that WE'RE disobedient?

I want to read up on this.

JESUS said to be baptised. Paul wrote to be baptised. It is a teaching that is part of basic Christian doctrin. IF you look up all the scriptures that speak of baptism, you will find one that hits that cord, that tells you you should be baptised. You will not find one that requires it for salvation, but you will see many scriptures where it is clearly requested of Christians.

Is there a reason you wouldn't?

[kross]

I believe the pure gospel, not the false gospel that adds baptism to the work of Christ.

Here is the Gospel that I accept:

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized, shall be saved: but he that believeth not shall be condemned.

That verse is not saying that Baptism is necessary for savation. Again, you are preaching a false gospel.

Why did Jesus mention Baptism in that verse?

Because it shows an act of obedience. To proclaim HIM as LORD and not follow HIS commandments would indicate a spiritual issue. The Baptism doesn't save, it confirms salvation.

Why doesn't the scripture state, "he that is not baptised is not saved"?

It does.

John 3:5 Jesus answered: Amen, amen I say to thee, unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

You misquoted the scripture again.

It states, "unless a man be born of water and the SPIRIT" not "born again" of water and the SPIRIT. In othe words, it states that you must be born of water and you must be born of SPIRIT. Being born of flesh is to be born of water (you may have heard of the phrase "her water broke" being born of the SPIRIT is exactly that. It would be a long reach to say this scripture is teaching water baptism since JESUS never mentions that to Nicodemus in the entire teaching. What JESUS does do is state, in two different ways, that a person must be born of the flesh (water birth) and of the SPIRIT.

[kross]

My point is that just because a person sins, it does not mean that they have no faith, nor does it render them unsaved.

So, can one believe and commit adultery and still be saved?

Simple yes or no answer.

YES!!!!!!

Is there a limit to the amount of sin a believer can commit before he loses salvation?

NO!!!!

Jude 1:24 Now to him who is able to preserve you without sin, and to present you spotless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, in the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, 25 To the only God our Saviour through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory and magnificence, empire and power, before all ages, and now, and for all ages of ages. Amen.

Yes. Thus a Christian will not sin too much to be preserved and presented before the throne.