Christian persecution in America

[artsylady]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,391531,00.html

5,000 honor killings per year in America.

This is totally against the kind of religious freedom America stood for.

[artsylady]

http://www.sullivan-county.com/id4/honor_killings.htm

[Rick-Parker]

What get me is the replies to the poll. I really can't believe that there are that many people who would send her back to the fate of her father who vowed to kill her.

I think it's because the media keeps perpetrating the lie "Islam is a religion of peace."

Or...maybe its because they believe in the constitutional principal that people are innocent until proven guilty.

Unfortunately, only the rich are innocent until proven guilty in American these days.

[Axxman]

So you do think honor killings still happen? As part of some Islamic sects?

Yes, some extremists do exist, and they claim to be muslim. I do not believe that honor killings are part of the mainstream muslim faith. It is exceedingly rare in the US...but it has occured a few times.

Do you think there are some Catholic sects that condone abortion?

I think there are.

Do you think the Koran has verses that promote violence?

Sure, but so does the Holy Bible. I do not believe the Koran promotes violence towards Jews or Christians. Most of the violence in the Koran plays out in a war setting (most of those wars admittedly caused by Muhammad himself) and is therefore violent by default. To be fair, most of the Bibles more extreme examples of violence was in battles too. Hard to describe a war without letting some of it seep into the text.

[Axxman]

5,000 honor killings per year in America.

This is totally against the kind of religious freedom America stood for.

Read the article again...it doesn't say 5000 "in America"...it is a worldwide count. It is also unreasonable to blame every issue of domestic violence in a muslim family as part of their religion. If a "christian" kills his wife...we just claim "he's not a very good christian, or he lost his way." A muslim, on the other hand, is considered a bad muslim if he doesn't murder his wife (according to Christians.) Muslims have the same issues as everybpdy else. They get angry during divorce, they are disappointed when their children rebel against them, when their spouse cheats on them, and they even just get plain old jealous...Muslims apparently are the only people who get angry because their religion tells them to.

In America over 1500 women a year are killed in domestic violence...thats almost a third of the worldwide Muslim count.

[artsylady]

Yes, some extremists do exist, and they claim to be muslim. I do not believe that honor killings are part of the mainstream muslim faith. It is exceedingly rare in the US...but it has occured a few times.

If you look in the Koran, do you think there are verses that can, without much of a stretch, condone killing?

QUOTE (artsylady @ Oct 11 2009, 12:18 PM)

Do you think there are some Catholic sects that condone abortion?

I think there are.

Okay, now I think you're just trying to 'win'.

QUOTE (artsylady @ Oct 11 2009, 12:18 PM)

Do you think the Koran has verses that promote violence?

Sure, but so does the Holy Bible. I do not believe the Koran promotes violence towards Jews or Christians. Most of the violence in the Koran plays out in a war setting (most of those wars admittedly caused by Muhammad himself) and is therefore violent by default. To be fair, most of the Bibles more extreme examples of violence was in battles too. Hard to describe a war without letting some of it seep into the text.

Maybe I'll reword that.

You think the Holy Bible tells followers to kill nonbelievers?

You think the Koran tells followers to kill non believers?

As Christians, we follow the commandments of Christ, correct?

[artsylady]

Read the article again...it doesn't say 5000 "in America"...it is a worldwide count.

Sorry, but that does bring up a point, that this belief is very widespread, and also now in America and Canada. There have been some 'honor killings' in Canada too.

It is also unreasonable to blame every issue of domestic violence in a muslim family as part of their religion.

It IS part of their religion.

If a "christian" kills his wife...we just claim "he's not a very good christian, or he lost his way."

that's right.

A muslim, on the other hand, is considered a bad muslim if he doesn't murder his wife (according to Christians.)

By some Muslims too.

Muslims have the same issues as everybpdy else. They get angry during divorce, they are disappointed when their children rebel against them, when their spouse cheats on them, and they even just get plain old jealous...Muslims apparently are the only people who get angry because their religion tells them to.

Axxman, I think you are seriously out of touch with reality on this. I am surprised by that.

In America over 1500 women a year are killed in domestic violence...thats almost a third of the worldwide Muslim count.

The Muslim count is for HONOR killings only. That number doesn't include domestic abuse where a woman is killed.

[artsylady]

http://islam-watch.org/SyedKamranMirza/honor_killing.htm

[Axxman]

If you look in the Koran, do you think there are verses that can, without much of a stretch, condone killing?

Are you speaking about these often misunderstood verses...?

If

[artsylady]

I don't think the Koran or the Holy Bible tells anyone to kill nonbelievers

I think that it can easily be seen that the Koran does condone violence, including murder. There are many verses in the Koran and Haddith that can easily be taken that way.

You will not be excommunicated as a Muslim for doing violent acts. You will be applauded.

Bottom line I guess is: Do you actually believe Islam is a 'religion of peace'? The only commandments Muslims have toward peace is toward other Muslims.