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  1. 1. Are you predestened for Heaven?

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The biggest argument I have against Predestination is found in scripture itself. John 3:16-17 states; For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. Why would God ever place into His word something that is false. If He gave His Son so the whole world "might" be saved, after picking whom He is going to save, then this scripture is in question. The word "might" leads to the possibility of choice. I stand more in foreknowledge to foreordain.

I'm not seeing the problem there :blink:. John 3:16 is from man's point of view, a call for every man to believe in Him. Even if predestination is true, those predestined still need to believe in Him as per John 3:16, and, only those who believe in Him are saved. Can you expand a little more on why you think John 3:16 is an argument against predestination?

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I just noticed that someone chose "Why would God want me with Him?". :blink:

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The biggest argument I have against Predestination is found in scripture itself. John 3:16-17 states; For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. Why would God ever place into His word something that is false. If He gave His Son so the whole world "might" be saved, after picking whom He is going to save, then this scripture is in question. The word "might" leads to the possibility of choice. I stand more in foreknowledge to foreordain.

I'm not seeing the problem there :blink:. John 3:16 is from man's point of view, a call for every man to believe in Him. Even if predestination is true, those predestined still need to believe in Him as per John 3:16, and, only those who believe in Him are saved. Can you expand a little more on why you think John 3:16 is an argument against predestination?

The very last part of verse 17 states "but that the world through Him might be saved." Why would it include the this statement if it were not possible for everyone to believe? To break it down more ...

but - another way to say pay attention, here is something else

that the world - giving the name of the group God is talking about

through Him - speaking of Christ

might - the possibility, a choice has to be made

be saved - the salvation through Christ

If there is no real choice or possibility, then this statement is not true.

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The biggest argument I have against Predestination is found in scripture itself. John 3:16-17 states; For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. Why would God ever place into His word something that is false. If He gave His Son so the whole world "might" be saved, after picking whom He is going to save, then this scripture is in question. The word "might" leads to the possibility of choice. I stand more in foreknowledge to foreordain.

I'm not seeing the problem there :emot-questioned:. John 3:16 is from man's point of view, a call for every man to believe in Him. Even if predestination is true, those predestined still need to believe in Him as per John 3:16, and, only those who believe in Him are saved. Can you expand a little more on why you think John 3:16 is an argument against predestination?

The very last part of verse 17 states "but that the world through Him might be saved." Why would it include the this statement if it were not possible for everyone to believe? To break it down more ...

but - another way to say pay attention, here is something else

that the world - giving the name of the group God is talking about

through Him - speaking of Christ

might - the possibility, a choice has to be made

be saved - the salvation through Christ

If there is no real choice or possibility, then this statement is not true.

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And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

Revelation 22:17

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As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

Romans 9:33

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Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

John 14:12

And I Don't Even Understand It But I Believe It. Why? Because "It Is Written!"

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We are given free will, and in our dimension of time we work this free will to follow God or not. Although God is outside of the dimension of time and can see the results of our free will. leaving God blameless for our future destination, but at the same time knowing. As far as satan and the fall of man, God must have known this as well. Maybe it was the plan all along?

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